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Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by rightbyte »

alganet wrote: post #54
gizajob wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a timeframe for the pop? I need some excitement.

More a sequence of potential events than a timeframe. High-end GPUs are already useless for gaming (a low-end GPU is enough), their traditional source of demand. They're floating on artificial demand for a while now. There are two markets that currently could use them: LLMs and Augmented Reality. Both of these are currently useless, and getting more useless by the day. CPUs are just piggybacking on all of this. So, l…

I don't see how GPU factories could be running in the event of war "in such a scale to drive silicon prices up". Unless you mean that supply will be low and people scavanging TI calculators for processors to make boxes playing Tetris and Space Invaders.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by timschmidt »

AtariATMHacker wrote: post #35
ionwake wrote: post #10

I don’t want to jump on nvidia but I found it super weird when they clearly remote controlled a Disney bot onto the stage and claimed it was all using real time AI which was clearly impossible due to no latency and weirdly the bot verifying correct stage position in relation to the presenter. It was obviously the Disney bot just being controlled by someone off stage. I found it super alarming because why would they f…

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It seems to me like both cases raised by OP - the Disney droids and Optimus - are cases of people making assumptions and then getting upset that their assumptions were wrong and making accusations.

Neither company was very forthcoming about the robots being piloted, but neither seems to be denying it either. And both seem to use RL / ML techniques to maintain balance, locomotion, etc. Not unlike Boston Dynamics' bots, which are also very carefully orchestrated by humans in multiple ways.

Haters gonna hate (downvotes just prove it - ha!)

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by [deleted] »

__turbobrew__ wrote: post #49

> With over 90% of the PC market running on NVIDIA tech, they’re the clear winner of the GPU race. The losers are every single one of us. I have been rocking AMD GPU ever since the drivers were upstreamed into the linux kernel. No regrets. I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy. But consumer gotta consoooooo…

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Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by ionwake »

dwattttt wrote: post #53
ionwake wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe its RL trained only. See this snipet : "Operator Commands Are Merged: The control system blends expressive animation commands (e.g., wave, look left) with balance-maintaining RL motions" I will print a full retraction if someone can confirm my gut feeling is correct

Having worked on control systems a long time ago, that's a 'nothing' statement: the whole job of the control system is to keep the robot stable/ambulating, regardless of whatever disturbances occur. It's meant to reject the forces induced due to waving exactly as much as bumping into something unexpected. It's easier to stabilise from an operator initiated wave, really; it knows it's happening before it does the wave…

I tried to understand the point of your reply but Im not sure what your point was - I only seemed to glean "its easier to balance if the operator is moving it".

Please elaborate unless Im being thick.

EDIT > I upvoted your comment in any case as Im sure its helping

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by ionwake »

AtariATMHacker wrote: post #35
ionwake wrote: post #10

I don’t want to jump on nvidia but I found it super weird when they clearly remote controlled a Disney bot onto the stage and claimed it was all using real time AI which was clearly impossible due to no latency and weirdly the bot verifying correct stage position in relation to the presenter. It was obviously the Disney bot just being controlled by someone off stage. I found it super alarming because why would they f…

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I think its cool you disagree with me, it would be nice to hear a counter argument though.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by bigyabai »

alganet wrote: post #24

Right now, all silicon talk is bullshit. It has been for a while. It became obvious when old e-waste Xeons were turned into viable, usable machines, years ago. Something is obviously wrong with this entire industry, and I cannot wait for it to pop. THIS will be the excitement everyone is looking for.

A lot of those Xeon e-waste machines were downright awful, especially for the "cheap gaming PC" niche they were popular in. Low single-core clock speeds, low memory bandwidth for desktop-style configurations and super expensive motherboards that ran at a higher wattage than the consumer alternatives.

> THIS will be the excitement everyone is looking for.

Or TSMC could become geopolitically jeopardized somehow, drastically increasing the secondhand value of modern GPUs even beyond what they're priced at now. It's all a system of scarcity, things could go either way.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by abxyz »

AtariATMHacker wrote: post #35
ionwake wrote: post #10

I don’t want to jump on nvidia but I found it super weird when they clearly remote controlled a Disney bot onto the stage and claimed it was all using real time AI which was clearly impossible due to no latency and weirdly the bot verifying correct stage position in relation to the presenter. It was obviously the Disney bot just being controlled by someone off stage. I found it super alarming because why would they f…

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Disney are open about their droids being operator controlled. Unless nvidia took a Disney droid and built it to be autonomous (which seems unlikely) it would follow that it is also operator controlled. The presentation was demonstrating what Disney had achieved using nvidia’s technology. You can see an explainer of how these droids use machine learning here: https://youtube.com/shorts/uWObkOV71ZI

If you think the droid was autonomous then I guess that is evidence that nvidia were misrepresenting (if not lying).

Having seen these droids outside of the nvidia presentation and watching the nvidia presentation, I think it’s obvious it was human operated and that nvidia were misleading people.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by bob1029 »

__turbobrew__ wrote: post #49

> With over 90% of the PC market running on NVIDIA tech, they’re the clear winner of the GPU race. The losers are every single one of us. I have been rocking AMD GPU ever since the drivers were upstreamed into the linux kernel. No regrets. I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy. But consumer gotta consoooooo…

> I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games

My favorite part about being a reformed gaming addict is the fact that my MacBook now covers ~100% of my computer use cases. The desktop is nice for Visual Studio but that's about it.

I'm still running a 5700XT in my desktop. I have absolutely zero desire to upgrade.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by thway15269037 »

enraged_camel wrote: post #36
ohdeargodno wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not quite $500, but at $650, the 9070 is an absolute monster that outperforms Nvidia's equivalent cards in everything but ray tracing (which you can only turn on with full DLSS framegen and get a blobby mess anyways) AMD is truly making excellent cards, and with a bit of luck UDNA is even better. But they're in the same situation as Nvidia: they could sell 200 GPUs, ship drivers, maintain them, deal with returns and…

I have a 2080 that I'm considering upgrading but not sure which 50 series would be the right choice.

Grab a used/refurb 3090 then. Probably as legendary card as a 1080Ti.
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