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Incapacitating Google Tag Manager (2022)

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Re: Incapacitating Google Tag Manager (2022)

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I'm all for blocking surveillance but how tiring is it to block JavaScript as suggested and then watch the majority of the internet not work?

It really isn't. I've been blocking all JavaScript for years now, selectively allowing what is essential for sites to run or using a private session to allow more/investigate/discover. Most sites work fine without their 30 JS sources, just allowing what is hosted on their own domain. It takes a little effort, but it's a fair price to pay to have a sane Internet. The thing is - with everything - it's never easy to hav…

Do you selectively enable JavaScript for the whole site, or is there a way with uBO to only enable subparts of it?

Re: Incapacitating Google Tag Manager (2022)

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Is there a good way to collect basic analytics if you have a site you're hosting on GitHub pages? In such cases I'd rather not rely on Google Analytics if I don't have to.

There are literally hundreds of alternatives.

I figured... just wanted to see which ones people on HN think are worth looking at.

Re: Incapacitating Google Tag Manager (2022)

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Am I dumb or does this article fail to explain what does the tag manager actually do? And not just with a loaded word, such as surveillance or spying, but actually technically explain what they are selling for and why it is bad.

XSS-as-a-service. It lets people drop in random JavaScript to be injected on to the page without any oversight.

It’s used by marketing people to add the 1001 trackers they love to use.

Re: Incapacitating Google Tag Manager (2022)

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Am I dumb or does this article fail to explain what does the tag manager actually do? And not just with a loaded word, such as surveillance or spying, but actually technically explain what they are selling for and why it is bad.

The chief reason is that websites pay for advertising and want to know if the advertising is working and Google tag manager is the way to do that, for Google Ads.

This is not unreasonable! People spend a lot of money on ads and would like to find out if and when they work. But people act like its an unspeakable nebulous crime but this is probably the most common case by miles.

Re: Incapacitating Google Tag Manager (2022)

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  >Use uBlock Origin with JavaScript disabled, as described above, but also with ALL third-party content hard-blocked. To achieve the latter, you need to add the rule ||.^$third-party to the My Filters pane.
This is a worse way to implement uBO's "Hard Mode" (except with JS blocked), which has the advantage that you can easily whitelist sites individually and set a hotkey to switch to lesser blocking modes.

https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Blocking-mode

https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Blocking-mode:-hard-m...

Re: Incapacitating Google Tag Manager (2022)

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Am I dumb or does this article fail to explain what does the tag manager actually do? And not just with a loaded word, such as surveillance or spying, but actually technically explain what they are selling for and why it is bad.

The chief reason is that websites pay for advertising and want to know if the advertising is working and Google tag manager is the way to do that, for Google Ads. This is not unreasonable! People spend a lot of money on ads and would like to find out if and when they work. But people act like its an unspeakable nebulous crime but this is probably the most common case by miles.

If running spyware on people's browsers just to see if your ads are working is "not unreasonable", what is?

Re: Incapacitating Google Tag Manager (2022)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since installing it on firefox on this computer (18 months ago or so) Ad Nauseam has clicked ~$38,000 worth of ads, that i never saw. Between this and "track me not" i've been fighting back against ads and connecting my "profile" with any habits since 2016 or so. I should also note i have pihole and my own DNS server upstream, so that's thiry-eight grand in ad clicks that got through blacklists . https://www.trackmen…

[Preface: I hate ads, I love uBlock origin, I use pihole, I'm a proponent of ad blockers] I manage a Google Ads account with a $500,000 budget. That budget is spent on a mix of display ads, google search, and youtube ads. If I knew that 10% of our budget was wasted on bot clicks, there's nothing I can do as an advertiser. We can't stop advertising... we want to grow our business and advertising is how you get your na…

> I'm guessing if bot clicks started making a real dent in advertiser performance, Google would counter that by improving their bot detection so they can refund advertisers in higher volumes.

They already have methods to detect a lot. Like you said yourself, customers have no alternative, so why would they refund money they don't have to?

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