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Everything around LLMs is still magical and wishful thinking

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Re: Everything around LLMs is still magical and wishful thinking

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One thing I find frustrating is that management where I work has heard of 10x productivity gains. Some of those claims even come from early adopters at my work. But that sets expectation way too high. Partly it is due to Amdahl's law: I spend only a portion of my time coding, and far more time thinking and communicating with others that are customers of my code. Even if does make the coding 10x faster (and it doesn't…

I don't disagree with your assessment of the world today, but just 12 months ago (before the current crop of base models and coding agents like Claude Code), even that 10X improvement of writing some-of-the-code wouldn't have been true.

> just 12 months ago (before the current crop of base models and coding agents like Claude Code), even that 10X improvement of writing some-of-the-code wouldn't have been true.

You had to paste more into your prompts back then to make the output work with the rest of your codebase, because there weren't good IDEs/"agents" for it, but you've been able to get really really good code for 90% of "most" day to day SWE since at least OpenAI releasing the ChatGPT-4 API, which was a couple years ago.

Today it's a lot easier to demo low-effort "make a whole new feature or prototype" things than doing the work to make the right API calls back then, but most day to day work isn't "one shot a new prototype web app" and probably won't ever be.

I'm personally more productive than 1 or 2 years ago now because the time required to build the prompts was slower than my personal rate of writing code for a lot of things in my domain, but hardly 10x. It usually one-shots stuff wrong, and then there's a good chance that it'll take longer to chase down the errors than it would've to just write the thing - or only use it as "better autocomplete" - in the first place.

Re: Everything around LLMs is still magical and wishful thinking

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post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m a tech lead and I have maybe 5X output now compared to everybody else under me. Quantified by scoring tickets at a team level. I also have more responsibilities outside of IC work compared to the people under me. At this point I’m asking my manager to fire people that still think llms are just toys because I’m tired of working with people with this poor mindset. A pragmatic engineer continually reevaluates what t…

I will thank God every day I don’t work with you or for you. How toxic.

im glad I don’t have to work with you too lol.

It’s not toxic for me to expect someone to get their work done in a reasonable amount of time with the tools available to them. If you’re an accountant and you take 5X the time to do something because you have beef with excel you’re the problem. It’s not toxicity to tell you that you are a bad accountant

Re: Everything around LLMs is still magical and wishful thinking

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One thing I find frustrating is that management where I work has heard of 10x productivity gains. Some of those claims even come from early adopters at my work. But that sets expectation way too high. Partly it is due to Amdahl's law: I spend only a portion of my time coding, and far more time thinking and communicating with others that are customers of my code. Even if does make the coding 10x faster (and it doesn't…

I’m a tech lead and I have maybe 5X output now compared to everybody else under me. Quantified by scoring tickets at a team level. I also have more responsibilities outside of IC work compared to the people under me. At this point I’m asking my manager to fire people that still think llms are just toys because I’m tired of working with people with this poor mindset. A pragmatic engineer continually reevaluates what t…

> I’m done arguing with people that have a poor model of reality.

isn't this the entire LLM experience?

Re: Everything around LLMs is still magical and wishful thinking

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One thing I find frustrating is that management where I work has heard of 10x productivity gains. Some of those claims even come from early adopters at my work. But that sets expectation way too high. Partly it is due to Amdahl's law: I spend only a portion of my time coding, and far more time thinking and communicating with others that are customers of my code. Even if does make the coding 10x faster (and it doesn't…

Canva has seen a 30% productivity uplift - https://fortune.com/2025/06/25/canva-cto-encourages-all-5000... AI is the new uplift. Embrace and adapt, as a rift is forming (see my talk at https://ghuntley.com/six-month-recap/ ), in what employers seek in terms of skills from employees. I'm happy to answer any questions folks may have. Currently AFK [2] vibecoding a brand new programming language [1]. [1] https://x.com/G…

And that's with 50% adoption and probably a broad distribution of tool use skill.

Re: Everything around LLMs is still magical and wishful thinking

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

See, your comment is a good example of what's going wrong. The OP specifically mentioned "mission critical things" - My interpretation of that would be things that are not allowed to break, because otherwise people might die, in the worst case - and you were talking about just SOMETHING that got "done" faster. No mention about anything critical. Of course, I was playing around with claude code, too, and I was fascina…

> So it kinda worked, but I would not use that for anything "mission critical" (whatever this means). It means projects like Cloudflare's new OAuth provider library. https://github.com/cloudflare/workers-oauth-provider > "This library (including the schema documentation) was largely written with the help of Claude, the AI model by Anthropic. Claude's output was thoroughly reviewed by Cloudflare engineers with careful…

> It means projects like Cloudflare's new OAuth provider library.

the one that's a few weeks old and already has several CVEs due to the poor implementation?

Re: Everything around LLMs is still magical and wishful thinking

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AI helped me find a bug that was going undetected and also helped me fix it. I was debugging a completely different bug, and decided to get a bit creative with what context i should share. AI pointed out the other bug. What I'm trying to say is people should stop talking about AI making them faster, that is not a good goal, unless your manager sucks. People should talk about concrete cases of how AI helped them instead. Another example I can give is AI helped me understand a part of a complicated protocol without reading the spec. It explained just the part I needed at the moment. AI made me dread my work less. I hope founders start getting creative with AI tools instead of copying each other.

Re: Everything around LLMs is still magical and wishful thinking

#137

One thing I find frustrating is that management where I work has heard of 10x productivity gains. Some of those claims even come from early adopters at my work. But that sets expectation way too high. Partly it is due to Amdahl's law: I spend only a portion of my time coding, and far more time thinking and communicating with others that are customers of my code. Even if does make the coding 10x faster (and it doesn't…

I’m a tech lead and I have maybe 5X output now compared to everybody else under me. Quantified by scoring tickets at a team level. I also have more responsibilities outside of IC work compared to the people under me. At this point I’m asking my manager to fire people that still think llms are just toys because I’m tired of working with people with this poor mindset. A pragmatic engineer continually reevaluates what t…

You've been doing the big I am about LLMs on HN for most of your last comments.

Everyone else who raises any doubts about LLMs is an idiot and you're 10,000x better than everyone else and all your co-workers should be fired.

But what's absent from all your comments is what you make. Can you tell us what you actually do in your >500k job?

Are you, by any chance, a front-end developer?

Also, a team-lead that can't fire their subordinates isn't a team-lead, they're a number two.

Re: Everything around LLMs is still magical and wishful thinking

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post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will thank God every day I don’t work with you or for you. How toxic.

im glad I don’t have to work with you too lol. It’s not toxic for me to expect someone to get their work done in a reasonable amount of time with the tools available to them. If you’re an accountant and you take 5X the time to do something because you have beef with excel you’re the problem. It’s not toxicity to tell you that you are a bad accountant

You believe the cost of firing and rehiring to be cheaper than simple empirical persuasion?

You don't sound like a great lead to me, but I suppose you could be working with absolutely incompetent individuals, or perhaps your soft skills need work.

My apologies but I see only two possibilities for others not to take the time to follow your example given such strong evidence. They either actively dislike you or are totally incompetent. I find the former more often true than the latter.

Re: Everything around LLMs is still magical and wishful thinking

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One thing I find frustrating is that management where I work has heard of 10x productivity gains. Some of those claims even come from early adopters at my work. But that sets expectation way too high. Partly it is due to Amdahl's law: I spend only a portion of my time coding, and far more time thinking and communicating with others that are customers of my code. Even if does make the coding 10x faster (and it doesn't…

I’m a tech lead and I have maybe 5X output now compared to everybody else under me. Quantified by scoring tickets at a team level. I also have more responsibilities outside of IC work compared to the people under me. At this point I’m asking my manager to fire people that still think llms are just toys because I’m tired of working with people with this poor mindset. A pragmatic engineer continually reevaluates what t…

Are you the one at Ableton responsible for it ignoring the renaming of parameter names during the setState part of a Live program? Some of us are already jumping through ridiculous hoops to cover for your… mindset. There's stuff coming up that used to work and doesn't now, like in Live 12. From your response I would guess this is a trend that will hold.

We should not be having to code special 'host is Ableton Live' cases in JUCE just to get your host to work like the others.

Can you please not fire any people who are still holding your operation together?

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