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Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by ryao » Fri, Jul 04, 2025, 10:59 PM UTC

ohdeargodno wrote: post #8

ryao wrote: post #5

> The RTX 50 series are the second generation of NVIDIA cards to use the 12VHPWR connector. This is wrong. The 50 series uses 12V-2x6, not 12VHPWR. The 30 series was the first to use 12VHPR. The 40 series was the second to use 12VHPWR and first to use 12V-2x6. The 50 series was the second to use 12V-2x6. The female connectors are what changed in 12V-2x6. The male connectors are identical between 12V-2x6 and 12VHPWR.

Nitpicking it doesn't change the fact that the 12v2x6 connector _also_ burns down.

The guy accuses Nvidia of not doing anything about that problem, but ignored that they did with the 12V-2x6 connector, which as far as I can tell, has had far fewer issues.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by leakycap » Fri, Jul 04, 2025, 11:01 PM UTC

pixl97 wrote: post #7

leakycap wrote: post #3

This article goes much deeper than I expected, and is a nice recap of the last few years of "green" gpu drama. Liars or not, the performance has not been there for me in any of my usecases, from personal to professional. A system from 2017/2018 with an 8700K and an 8GB 2080 performs so closely to the top end, expensive systems today that it makes almost no sense to upgrade at MSRP+markup unless your system is older t…

I mean, most people probably won't directly upgrade. Their old card will die, or eventually nvidia will stop making drivers for it. Unless you're looking around for used cards, the price difference between something low end like a 3060 isn't that much less in price for the length of support you're going to get. Unless nvidia's money printing machine breaks soon, expect the same to continue for the next 3+ years. Crap…

> Unless you're looking around for used cards, the price difference between something low end like a 3060 isn't that much less in price for the length of support you're going to get.

This does not somehow give purchasers more budget room now, but they can buy 30-series cards in spades and not have to worry about the same heating and power deliveries as a little bonus.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by yunyu » Fri, Jul 04, 2025, 11:04 PM UTC

If you are a gamer, you are no longer NVIDIA's most important customer.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by Nextgrid » Fri, Jul 04, 2025, 11:04 PM UTC

I wonder if the 12VHPWR connector is intentionally defective to prevent large-scale use of those consumer cards in server/datacenter contexts?

The failure rate is just barely acceptable in a consumer use-case with a single card, but with multiple cards the probability of failure (which takes down the whole machine, as there's no way to hot-swap the card) makes it unusable.

I can't otherwise see why they'd persevere on that stupid connector when better alternatives exist.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by bigyabai » Fri, Jul 04, 2025, 11:05 PM UTC

yunyu wrote: post #13

If you are a gamer, you are no longer NVIDIA's most important customer.

A revelation on-par with Mac users waking up to learn their computer was made by a phone company.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by elil17 » Fri, Jul 04, 2025, 11:05 PM UTC

ionwake wrote: post #10

I don’t want to jump on nvidia but I found it super weird when they clearly remote controlled a Disney bot onto the stage and claimed it was all using real time AI which was clearly impossible due to no latency and weirdly the bot verifying correct stage position in relation to the presenter. It was obviously the Disney bot just being controlled by someone off stage. I found it super alarming because why would they f…

As I understand it the Disney bots do actually use AI in a novel way: https://la.disneyresearch.com/publication/design-and-control...

So there’s at least a bit more “there” there than the Tesla bots.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by CoastalCoder » Fri, Jul 04, 2025, 11:05 PM UTC

ionwake wrote: post #10

I don’t want to jump on nvidia but I found it super weird when they clearly remote controlled a Disney bot onto the stage and claimed it was all using real time AI which was clearly impossible due to no latency and weirdly the bot verifying correct stage position in relation to the presenter. It was obviously the Disney bot just being controlled by someone off stage. I found it super alarming because why would they f…

Not just you.

I hate being lied to, especially if it's so the liar can reap some economic advantage from having the lie believed.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by monster_truck » Fri, Jul 04, 2025, 11:06 PM UTC

Remember when nvidia got caught dropping 2 bits of color information to beat ati in benchmarks? I still can't believe anyone has trusted them since! That is an insane thing to do considering the purpose of the product.

For as long as they have competition, I will support those companies instead. If they all fail, I guess I will start one. My spite for them knows no limits

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by ohdeargodno » Fri, Jul 04, 2025, 11:06 PM UTC

cherioo wrote: post #9

High end GPU has over the last 5 years slowly turning from an enthusiast product into a luxury product. 5 or maybe 10 years ago, high-end GPU are needed to run games at reasonably eye candy setting. In 2025, $500 mid-range GPUs are more than enough. Folks all over can barely tell between High and Ultra settings, DLSS vs FSR, or DLSS FG and Lossless Scaling. There's just no point to compete at $500 price point any mor…

Not quite $500, but at $650, the 9070 is an absolute monster that outperforms Nvidia's equivalent cards in everything but ray tracing (which you can only turn on with full DLSS framegen and get a blobby mess anyways)

AMD is truly making excellent cards, and with a bit of luck UDNA is even better. But they're in the same situation as Nvidia: they could sell 200 GPUs, ship drivers, maintain them, deal with returns and make $100k... Or just sell a single MI300X to a trusted partner that won't make any waves and still make $100k.

Wafer availability unfortunately rules all, and as it stands, we're lucky neither of them have abandoned their gaming segments for massively profitable AI things.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by abletonlive » Fri, Jul 04, 2025, 11:06 PM UTC

ionwake wrote: post #10

I don’t want to jump on nvidia but I found it super weird when they clearly remote controlled a Disney bot onto the stage and claimed it was all using real time AI which was clearly impossible due to no latency and weirdly the bot verifying correct stage position in relation to the presenter. It was obviously the Disney bot just being controlled by someone off stage. I found it super alarming because why would they f…

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