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Private sector lost 33k jobs, badly missing expectations of 100k increase

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Re: Private sector lost 33k jobs, badly missing expectations of 100k increase

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> it's a pretty good measure of average economic health Median economic health strikes me as far more interesting than mean. I don't really care how well rich people are doing.

Perhaps, but until there is a way of measuring that, GDP/person wins by existing.

Just because you can measure it doesn't mean it's a good objective.

Re: Private sector lost 33k jobs, badly missing expectations of 100k increase

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Why assume conspiracy, when the reason is known?

What do you think the "reason" is? Several other comments have made self-contradictory claims. NEVER has it consistently over-estimated jobs as it has, in the history of reporting. Look, yet another stellar jobs report from the B of L today, completely at odds with the actual metrics of the ADP report. CNN reports it as "The US economy added a stronger-than-expected 147,000 jobs in June and the unemployment rate fell…

The data gets revised as further survey information comes in. Thats the reason.

Re: Private sector lost 33k jobs, badly missing expectations of 100k increase

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We really need better ways of measuring economic health. I could lose my six-figure job, turn around, and get hired on as a server at Applebee's for minimum wage, and the "unemployment" rate would stay the same. Not to mention that it doesn't include those not actively looking for work. Either way, "full employment" doesn't mean much unless you take into account whether people are actually able to live a stable lifes…

These are statistics. 1. It's not a problem if one of them does not reflect you specifically. 2. You never use just one. It is a problem if the measure needs ongoing adjustment to keep some kind of meaning and if this adjustment is partisan. It's also a problem if someone reads one number just to make a point.

Re: Private sector lost 33k jobs, badly missing expectations of 100k increase

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You could argue household debt is just another form of rent, where you “rent” capital from the wealthy in exchange for paying interest on a monthly basis. Just because you don’t pay a rent directly named as such doesn’t change the substance of it.

It's a very different form of rent though, namely because the mortgage borrower has a lot of collateralized debt and the mortgage borrower owns the appreciation (or depreciation) of the property (proportional to their equity).

I don't think it is proportional to their equity. The borrower owns all appreciation and depreciation.

Re: Private sector lost 33k jobs, badly missing expectations of 100k increase

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Active aggression is looked down upon in this forum

How about no aggression at all.

If you would like to live passively in all aspects of your life, far be it from me to stop you.

I, personally, care about things and are willing to passionately defend them, which is synonymous with aggression

Re: Private sector lost 33k jobs, badly missing expectations of 100k increase

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I've applied casually to around 30 listings(I'm EU based) throughout last 2-3 months, all of which I was almost a perfect candidate for(9 years total exp). I received 2 automatic 'no's and 1 phone call + assignment for which I'm still waiting for a response. Everything else straight up ghosted me, not even confirmation emails of received resumes. Some of those companies even re-newed their listings afterwards. I feel like 80% of job listings are just straight up fake to keep VC's believing.

Re: Private sector lost 33k jobs, badly missing expectations of 100k increase

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I used to have multiple recruiters reach out to me daily on LinkedIn regarding software engineering positions. And this was for multiple years. That hasn't been the case for the last 3 or 4 months. None of this surprises me and it shouldn't for others.

It's crazy hot now in semiconductors. Anyone with couple of years experience is approached by recruiters daily.

Is experience in electronics enough to work in that?

Re: Private sector lost 33k jobs, badly missing expectations of 100k increase

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It's crazy hot now in semiconductors. Anyone with couple of years experience is approached by recruiters daily.

Is experience in electronics enough to work in that?

Yes and no. It's hard to enter chip design directly. But eventually all chips are used in a PCB and there's a lot going on on that interface. It's called application engineering or systems engineering in the field and that is also hot.

Re: Private sector lost 33k jobs, badly missing expectations of 100k increase

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We have good metrics. The problem is the media seems to only ever look at one of them at a time but we need to look at several at once to get a more complete picture. Your scenario would be called out by median household income, or better median disposable household income. Even the good old GDP per capita covers your case. Workforce participation also can be valuable instead of or in addition to unemployment numbers…

> Even the good old GDP per capita covers your case. I think the following joke encapsulates the problem with GDP pretty well.. --- Two economists go for a walk in the forest, and having a competitive nature, the first economist sees a pile of bear shit and says to the second "I'll give you $100 to eat that bear shit". The second economist, being one that generally does anything for money, eats the bear shit, takes t…

the joke is a joke, and is meant to illustrate a point. However, i think it's actually illustrating a different point than the intended one.

The fact is, those economists valued watching someone eating shit at $100 dollars. How is that any different than someone paying $100 dollars to watch a concert?

It perfectly illustrates the idea that value is in the eye of the beholder.

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