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Re: CoMaps: New OSM based navigation app

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Post by blendergeek »

spacemule wrote: post #28
phkahler wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> For bus lanes, I just checked and they're all correctly marked in my city. Seems they are missing in yours, sadly. Fortunately OSM can be edited by users. Updating the lanes in your city is something you can do. I'm not saying it's easy, just that it's possible.

I tried to get into OSM a few years ago, and the barrier to entry seemed a bit high. Maybe I'll try again. For all I know, the lanes are properly marked, it's just a routing issue. In Israel, the bus lanes are a bit odd. A lane can be a turn-only lane for cars and straight-only for busses. So, it's a bit complicated. Even Google Maps can't handle it.

this can definitely be mapped in OSM. as far as a high barrier to entry, I'd say that there is a low barrier to mere entry. StreetComplete provides extremely easy OSM editing. Unfortunately, dong something complicated like mapping the turn lanes and what bus restrictions exist on turn lanes is not easy

Re: CoMaps: New OSM based navigation app

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Post by pastk »

orblivion wrote: post #38
eisa01 wrote: post #26

People asking if there's differences to Organic Maps, yes there are E.g., on iOS CoMaps has fixed several bugs present in OM like: * CarPlay Interface not resetting upon arrival at destination * Search Results still highlighted after route creation * Button overlaying during routing on small iPhone I have improved the consistency of paths and footway rendering

The features here (and listed below) are good features, but I wonder if this isn't just "different features". In the same time, has Organic Maps added different features that you don't have? Or have they made fewer features because developer energy has shifted to CoMaps? I.e. is it that Organic Maps just have different priorities than you do? Or is it that Organic Maps have been holding back these good features for n…

CoMaps cherry-picks changes from Organic Maps regularly. OM is also free to pick from CoMaps, but so far they haven't been doing so.

And yes, amount of work done on OM has reduced significantly, as many contribturos have moved to CoMaps.

Still, features-wise priorities of both projects are quite similar. E.g. being easy to use and simple , offline-focused, etc.

I would say CoMaps is a bit more serious about privacy and is also more open to customization by users (to a reasonable extent).

As CoMaps is a community-driven project then it's possible that with time the growing community would change the direction of the project somewhat.

But the biggest differences that actually were the reason for forking - are in the way the project is run - CoMaps is truly community-driven, open and transparent, which includes project's finances and decision-making.

Re: CoMaps: New OSM based navigation app

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Post by pastk »

phkahler wrote: post #27

Does it play well with Android Auto? My OSM app doesn't display on the car screen unless I keep the app open and make sure the phone screen doesn't go dark. It's nice when it works, but its harder than it should be to get it going.

It should work.

But make sure that the app is installed from Google Play. Google prohibits use of navigation apps in AA from other sources.

Re: CoMaps: New OSM based navigation app

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Post by pastk »

fluder wrote: post #43

What does this Organic Maps fork bring new to us?

First of all its about truly community-driven, open and transparent governace and project's finances. And living by the FOSS and non-profit values.

But if your question is more about app features, then see my reply here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44455300

Re: CoMaps: New OSM based navigation app

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Post by jaakl »

pastk wrote: post #54
fluder wrote: post #43

What does this Organic Maps fork bring new to us?

First of all its about truly community-driven, open and transparent governace and project's finances. And living by the FOSS and non-profit values. But if your question is more about app features, then see my reply here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44455300

Note that being Estonian OÜ (LLC) brings convenience of both having fully electronic communication towards any state affairs and also super easy to get (no even registration needed) yearly financial reports. Actually more-less the only touchpoint with state is the yearly report, no taxes until you have salaries, apply for VAT, deal with licensed area or really cash out the profits. Also you can be foreign, "e-resident" to use such OÜ.

The official company reporting source is https://ariregister.rik.ee/eng/company/16225385/Organic-Maps... . Yearly PDF reports are in Estonian language, but your favorite AI should help. The numbers are in actual EUR (not housands), so they seem to have 33KEUR profits, IMHO no huge piles of money to worry too much for.

Re: CoMaps: New OSM based navigation app

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Post by justaj »

pastk wrote: post #29
eisa01 wrote: post #26

People asking if there's differences to Organic Maps, yes there are E.g., on iOS CoMaps has fixed several bugs present in OM like: * CarPlay Interface not resetting upon arrival at destination * Search Results still highlighted after route creation * Button overlaying during routing on small iPhone I have improved the consistency of paths and footway rendering

Talking about the app features, here are some of the bigger / easier to notice differences: - added automatic backups for bookmarks and tracks - added 100m-step altitude isolines to all regions that had worse or no isolines - a big rework of the map colors - lighter, warmer, friendlier - add a setting to customize the leftmost button or hide it - removed semi-transparent background in Subway layer And there is a bunc…

Oh man, if automatic dark mode (dependent on whether dark theme is engaged on phone) is added, I would switch immediately.

Re: CoMaps: New OSM based navigation app

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Post by spacemule »

blendergeek wrote: post #51
spacemule wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried to get into OSM a few years ago, and the barrier to entry seemed a bit high. Maybe I'll try again. For all I know, the lanes are properly marked, it's just a routing issue. In Israel, the bus lanes are a bit odd. A lane can be a turn-only lane for cars and straight-only for busses. So, it's a bit complicated. Even Google Maps can't handle it.

this can definitely be mapped in OSM. as far as a high barrier to entry, I'd say that there is a low barrier to mere entry. StreetComplete provides extremely easy OSM editing. Unfortunately, dong something complicated like mapping the turn lanes and what bus restrictions exist on turn lanes is not easy

Thanks for sharing StreetComplete. I hadn't seen that. My interests are usually around K8s, Linux, containerization, IoC, etc, so I honestly hadn't looked as deeply into OSM recently as I should. This looks like a fun way to contribute back a bit.

Re: CoMaps: New OSM based navigation app

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Post by spacemule »

theyknowitsxmas wrote: post #45
spacemule wrote: post #20

The biggest thing keeping me from using any open source routing or even Google Maps is that here in Israel there are roads that are illegal to drive on either because they're access to PA territory or they're bus/taxi only. No application other than Waze avoids these, so I'm stuck using Waze. I just checked this, and to get to a building down the street from me, it wants me to YOLO myself through the bus lanes.

Is Garmin City Navigator reliable there? You can delete stuff and export your own maps in Basecamp.

I'm not familiar with it. Waze is such a standard that I've just gotten used to it, but I'm down to clown with anything new as long as I'm on familiar roads and routes.
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