How large are large language models?
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Re: How large are large language models?
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
Perhaps that's meant to be 50GB (and that still seems like a serious underestimation)? Just the Bible is already 5MB.
English Wikipedia without media alone is ~24 GB compressed . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Size_of_Wikipedia
Re: How large are large language models?
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
A .zip is lossless compression. But we also have plenty of lossy compression algorithms. We've just never been able to use lossy compression on text.
>We've just never been able to use lossy compression on text. ...and we still can't. If your lawyer sent you your case files in the form of an LLM trained on those files, would you be comfortable with that? Where is the situation you would compress text with an LLM over a standard compression algo? (Other than to make an LLM). Other lossy compression targets known superfluous information. MP3 removes sounds we can't…
Re: How large are large language models?
#64Less a technical comment and more just a mind-blown comment, but I still can’t get over just how much data is compressed into and available in these downloadable models. Yesterday I was on a plane with no WiFi, but had gemma3:12b downloaded through Ollama. Was playing around with it and showing my kids, and we fired history questions at it, questions about recent video games, and some animal fact questions. It wasn’t…
One factor, is the huge redundancies pervasive in our communication.
(1) There are so many ways to say the same thing, that (2) we have to add even more words to be precise at all. Without a verbal indexing system we (3) spend many words just setting up context for what we really want to say. And finally, (4) we pervasively add a great deal of intentionally non-informational creative and novel variability, and mood inducing color, which all require even more redundancy to maintain reliable interpretation, in order to induce our minds to maintain attention.
Our minds are active resistors of plain information!
All four factors add so much redundancy, it’s probably fair to say most of our communication (by bits, characters, words, etc., may be 95%?, 98%? or more!) pure redundancy.
Another helpful compressor, is many facts are among a few “reasonably expected” alternative answers. So it takes just a little biasing information to encode the right option.
Finally, the way we reason seems to be highly common across everything that matters to us. Even though we have yet to identify and characterize this informal human logic. So once that is modeled, that itself must compress a lot of relations significantly.
Fuzzy Logic was a first approximation attempt at modeling human “logic”. But has not been very successful.
Models should eventually help us uncover that “human logic”, by analyzing how they model it. Doing so may let us create even more efficient architectures. Perhaps significantly more efficient, and even provide more direct non-gradient/data based “thinking” design.
Nevertheless, the level of compression is astounding!
We are far less complicated cognitive machines that we imagine! Scary, but inspiring too.
I personally believe that common PCs of today, maybe even high end smart phones circa 2025, will be large enough to run future super intelligence when we get it right, given internet access to look up information.
We have just begun to compress artificial minds.
Re: How large are large language models?
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
>We've just never been able to use lossy compression on text. ...and we still can't. If your lawyer sent you your case files in the form of an LLM trained on those files, would you be comfortable with that? Where is the situation you would compress text with an LLM over a standard compression algo? (Other than to make an LLM). Other lossy compression targets known superfluous information. MP3 removes sounds we can't…
People summarize (compress) documents with LLMs all day. With legalese the application would be to summarize it in layman's terms, while retaining the original for legal purposes.
I'm not arguing that LLMs don't compress data, I am arguing that they are technically compression tools, but not colloquially compression tools, and the overlap they have with colloquial compression tools is almost zero.
Re: How large are large language models?
#66Less a technical comment and more just a mind-blown comment, but I still can’t get over just how much data is compressed into and available in these downloadable models. Yesterday I was on a plane with no WiFi, but had gemma3:12b downloaded through Ollama. Was playing around with it and showing my kids, and we fired history questions at it, questions about recent video games, and some animal fact questions. It wasn’t…
It's extremely interesting how powerful a language model is at compression. When you train it to be an assistant model, it's better at compressing assistant transcripts than it is general text. There is an eval which I have a lot of interested in and respect for https://huggingface.co/spaces/Jellyfish042/UncheatableEval called UncheatableEval, which tests how good of a language model an LLM is by applying it on a ran…
This is essentially just compression and decompression. It's just that with prior compression techniques, we never tried leveraging the inherent relationships encoded in a compressed data structure, because our compression schemes did not leverage semantic information in a generalized way and thus did not encode very meaningful relationships other than "this data uses the letter 'e' quite a lot".
A lot of that comes from the sheer amount of data we throw at these models, which provide enough substrate for semantic compression. Compare that to common compression schemes in the wild, where data is compressed in isolation without contributing its information to some model of the world. It turns out that because of this, we've been leaving a lot on the table with regards to compression. Another factor has been the speed/efficiency tradeoff. GPUs have allowed us to put a lot more into efficiency, and the expectations that many language models only need to produce text as fast as it can be read by a human means that we can even further optimize for efficiency over speed.
Also, shout out to Fabrice Bellard's ts_zip, which leverages LLMs to compress text files. https://bellard.org/ts_zip/
Re: How large are large language models?
#67Less a technical comment and more just a mind-blown comment, but I still can’t get over just how much data is compressed into and available in these downloadable models. Yesterday I was on a plane with no WiFi, but had gemma3:12b downloaded through Ollama. Was playing around with it and showing my kids, and we fired history questions at it, questions about recent video games, and some animal fact questions. It wasn’t…
> The English Wikipedia, as of June 26, 2025, contains over 7 million articles and 63 million pages. The text content alone is approximately 156 GB, according to Wikipedia's statistics page. When including all revisions, the total size of the database is roughly 26 terabytes (26,455 GB)
Re: How large are large language models?
#68Less a technical comment and more just a mind-blown comment, but I still can’t get over just how much data is compressed into and available in these downloadable models. Yesterday I was on a plane with no WiFi, but had gemma3:12b downloaded through Ollama. Was playing around with it and showing my kids, and we fired history questions at it, questions about recent video games, and some animal fact questions. It wasn’t…
Re: How large are large language models?
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
People summarize (compress) documents with LLMs all day. With legalese the application would be to summarize it in layman's terms, while retaining the original for legal purposes.
Yes, and we all know (ask teachers) how reliable those summaries are. They are randomly lossy, which makes them unsuitable for any serious work. I'm not arguing that LLMs don't compress data, I am arguing that they are technically compression tools, but not colloquially compression tools, and the overlap they have with colloquial compression tools is almost zero.
Re: How large are large language models?
#70Less a technical comment and more just a mind-blown comment, but I still can’t get over just how much data is compressed into and available in these downloadable models. Yesterday I was on a plane with no WiFi, but had gemma3:12b downloaded through Ollama. Was playing around with it and showing my kids, and we fired history questions at it, questions about recent video games, and some animal fact questions. It wasn’t…
Wikipedia is about 24GB, so if you're allowed to drop 1/3 of the details and make up the missing parts by splicing in random text, 8GB doesn't sound too bad. To me the amazing thing is that you can tell the model to do something, even follow simple instructions in plain English, like make a list or write some python code to do $x, that's the really amazing part.
Then ask for the same list sorted and get that nearly instantly,
These models have a short time context for now, but they already have a huge “working memory” relative to us.
It is very cool. And indicative that vastly smarter models are going to be achieved fairly easily, with new insight.
Our biology has had to ruthlessly work within our biological/ecosystem energy envelope, and with the limited value/effort returned by a pre-internet pre-vast economy.
So biology has never been able to scale. Just get marginally more efficient and effective within tight limits.
Suddenly, (in historical, biological terms), energy availability limits have been removed, and limits on the value of work have compounded and continue to do so. Unsurprising that those changes suddenly unlock easily achieved vast untapped room for cognitive upscaling.