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Re: YouTube No Translation

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Post by joseda-hg »

simongray wrote: post #39
kalleboo wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's crazy is the US actually does have a decent proportion of multilingual speakers thanks to its history of immigration (a quick search reveals 20% of American residents are bilingual). Even Google staff should be a pretty multicultural bunch of people as they recruit globally.

I mean... 20% is not really a lot. It's probably a lot closer to 100% in most countries of the world.

I believe the more damning thing is, there are more multilingual english speakers than monoglots, merely by virtue of ESL being more common than Native English

Re: YouTube No Translation

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Post by avereveard »

makeitdouble wrote: post #266
avereveard wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Accept language header covers all that's needed. It's a ordered list of languages the user will understand in order of preference. You'd pick the first one as interface, don't translate anything that's in the list, and you can decide what to do with anything not in the list. Sites that use ip of origin and just assume my language are such grating experiences.

No. Accept language is set at the browser level, where you usually want a single default with granular per-site (or even per-content) control. There will be whole sites and apps that I want in a specific language that aren't my first preference. E.g. I might want my news and browser user interface in English but Google Maps in a local language, Netflix in the language of the content I watch the most etc. Reality is j…

you still want a default for those website you haven't been yet. also you're conflating the user agent configuration with the trasmission protocol. the accept header easily accomodate your scenario with purely client side configuration, entirely transparent to the web site.

Re: YouTube No Translation

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Post by rasz »

in sourcecode this snipped looked interesting https://github.com/YouG-o/YouTube_No_Translation/blob/91061a...

    // Prevent translation on all levels
        [element, attributedString, snippetAttributedString].forEach(el => {
            if (el) {
                el.setAttribute('translate', 'no');
sadly magic translate="no" attribute does nothing on its own :( Probably related to standard https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Reference/... so obviously Google doesnt honor it.

following

                    el.style.setProperty('translate', 'no', 'important');
is kinda funny too, CSS translate is about positioning not language :) and since 'no' is not a valid value this instruction is ignored anyways.

Re: YouTube No Translation

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Post by numpad0 »

franciscop wrote: post #196
matsemann wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also have this problem with apps in my native language. I have my phone set to en,no because I prefer the English version over some bad auto-translated crap where some apps try to translate stuff. But then when I download a Norwegian app, then it prefers to use some badly maintained English translation instead, but here I would of course prefer the native version. Can't win.

I live in Japan and am not yet fluent enough, so need to use a VPN to get the Google Search English results, otherwise it's totally unusable. Heck even for programming I pull my hair since I get the translated docs when searching. Just give me the (original) English ones please. I did search in English have Google set to English, but still get the Japanese ones even for those that have English resources.

Google Search seem to be... becoming hyper-localized in the last 5-10 years. They seem to simply refuse to give back a lot of pages, by 15-ish-mile IP locality. It's sort of super alarming.

Re: YouTube No Translation

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Post by pentagrama »

Thanks for sharing this, this type of hostile behavior from YouTube is terrible, this should be opt in. I'm currently using YouTube Anti Translate [1], which is also open source [2]. Not sure if this one has some advantages, will check it out.

[1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-anti-...

[2] https://github.com/zpix1/yt-anti-translate

Re: YouTube No Translation

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Post by autumnstwilight »

It's kinda wild how monolingual people can come into a thread of multilingual people pointing out specific problems that are happening due to forced autotranslation and be like, "well this hasn't happened to me personally so it's probably fine for normal people and not a real problem."

Re: YouTube No Translation

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Post by Aachen »

mslansn wrote: post #143
matsemann wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

90 % of Norwegians speak English according to a quick search I just did. 89 % in Sweden.

That’s not “most countries”.

Contribute more data points of your own then, or even just one. Maybe eventually we'll get to know whether it's most or not rather than dismissing someone who's helping

Re: YouTube No Translation

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Post by Aachen »

pjc50 wrote: post #147
mslansn wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it? That doesn’t sound right.

Depends. English first language countries remain mostly monolingual. But the rest divides into: - educated people are expected to learn English in school and end up consuming English media anyway (where you'd expect >50% multilingual, but not everyone) - country has many official languages (many people are multilingual, but not necessarily in English; e.g. India, Indonesia, possibly China) - country has literacy prob…

> - country has many official languages

Belgium has 3 languages but my guess would be that each region speaks English better. The French, pardon, Walloniers scarcely speak Dutch and while the Flemish area speaks better French it's usually not great (unsure whether most people would qualify as fluent). Afaik Flanders has mandatory French in school but Wallonia doesn't need to take Dutch, even though 60% of the population is Dutch-speaking. The German-speaking region is mostly forgotten about and they either integrate with the French-speaking part or work in Germany with Belgium as a cheap place to live

The Netherlands has Papiamento as the native language of most people in a part of the country. They're overseas but they vote for the same government and live by the same law. I literally didn't know this until a few years ago (I'm 30). I assume they don't want independence due to things like getting defence and other benefits from a much larger economy (and we're right to feel the need to pay such repairs) but man, this feels really 1800s slave trade levels of wrong. Not a soul speaks Papiamento in the european Netherlands, it's not even an option in school — let alone compulsory!

In Luxembourg it's hit or miss whether someone speaks the national language (Luxembourgish), French (an administrative language), or German (another administrative language). Many will speak at least two, but many also only one (French in particular)

Very eurocentric perhaps but that's my experience with countries that have more than one official language: nearly nobody bothers learning the other if there is no direct necessity

Re: YouTube No Translation

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

Narishma wrote: post #300
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #160

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Even if they had no experience, surely something like this would come out in user testing?

With the amount of dumb UI decisions these past few years, I don't think they do much, if any, user testing.

I mean I'd suggest that if maligning them, but it can't actually be true? Like a chef that never tastes the food??

Re: YouTube No Translation

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Post by saubeidl »

nic547 wrote: post #277
lajosbacs wrote: post #171

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I know, but on the other hand you have many Swiss who, when spoken to in perfect Hochdeutsch, prefer to reply in English. No way you're gonna win over these people with autotranslate to what they consider a 'foreign' language.

Switching to a even more foreign language is a bit weird - in my experience the concern about English is much greater than about German. I'd expect people would just only speak swiss German (deciding between talking swiss German or standard German with a standard German speaker is a bit of a difficult question as well). Can I ask about your background? Switching to English is usually a tourist/clearly not german-spea…

As an Austrian, I consider the way Germans (with the exception of Bavarians) speak our language highly grating and painful to listen to.

I'd rather hear them speak in English than having them butcher the melodies of my language.

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