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Re: Australians to face age checks from search engines

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Post by jackvalentine »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #88
jackvalentine wrote: post #81

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> This view is manufactured. The premise is that better moderation is available and despite that, literally no one is choosing to do it. The fact is that moderation is hard and in particular excluding all actually bad things without also having a catastrophically high false positive rate is infeasible. Manufactured by whom? Moderation was done very tightly on vbulletin forums back in the day, the difference is Facebo…

> Manufactured by whom? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent > Moderation was done very tightly on vbulletin forums back in the day, the difference is Facebook/Google et al expect to operate at a scale where (they claim) moderation can't be done. The difference isn't the scale of Google , it's the scale of the internet . Back in the day the internet was full of university professors and telecommunicati…

Maybe search is dead but doesn’t know it yet.

Edit: you can’t just grow a Wikipedia link to manufacturing consent from the 80s as an explanation here. What a joke of a position. Maybe people have been hoodwinked by a media conspiracy or maybe they just don’t like what the kids are exposed to at a young age these days.

Re: Australians to face age checks from search engines

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Post by bamboozled »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #61
bamboozled wrote: post #31

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We failed to give the kids the skills to think critically (because that's not in the ruling classes best interest), so now, to keep the population under some form of governability, information has to be restricted so people don't end up destroying their own society. Nice. I agree though, most information is misinformation, even the most popular stuff, Joe Rogan et al.

Critical thinking lessons are not enough to protect kids.

You’re right, I misspoke, kids should be off the phones and internet until a certain age but while they’re offline need to be prepared to deal with the onslaught of rubbish they will face when they’re online. Including AI generated nonsense.

Re: Australians to face age checks from search engines

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Post by ActorNightly »

ratchetgo1 wrote: post #82

Grand Fascist State Censor Julie Inman Grant strikes again. Another disgraceful loss of privacy for the country defining anglophone technological totalitarianism.

Meh, this is minor political fluff. Australia is still doing quite good.

Re: Australians to face age checks from search engines

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Post by SchemaLoad »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #89
SchemaLoad wrote: post #56

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I'm split on it. 100% agree that kids being off social media is better for society. But I can't see how it could be enforced without privacy implications for adults.

Don’t buy them devices and lock down your computer and networks. I guess if a teenager is enterprising enough to get a job and save up and buy their own devices and pay for their own internet then more power to them.

Obviously an impossible task. Kids need computers for school, and every school provides laptops. Kids don't need access to social media.

Re: Australians to face age checks from search engines

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Post by globalnode »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #74
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #67

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> there is a view that foreign internet behemoths have failed to moderate for themselves and will therefore have moderation imposed on them however imperfect. This view is manufactured. The premise is that better moderation is available and despite that, literally no one is choosing to do it. The fact is that moderation is hard and in particular excluding all actually bad things without also having a catastrophically…

This. This legislation has got nothing to do with moderation or "protecting children" - that's just the excuse that the government is using to push the legislation through. There are better ways of achieving that goal if that was the goal. The actual goal is, as always, complete control over what Australians can see and do on the internet, and complete knowledge of what we see and do on the internet.

i think governments are confused by the internet. on the one hand business uses it to save money and pay taxes. broligarch's get rich from it. yet it exposes the unwashed masses to all sorts of information that might otherwise face censorship. theres always sex and drugs you can use as a reason to clamp down on things. the tough thing for them will be how do you reign in the plebs while also allowing business and advertising to function unfettered... tough times ahead :p

p.s. i agree with your comment.

Re: Australians to face age checks from search engines

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Post by pmontra »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #24

2025: if you're logged in, then we check your age to see if you can do or see some stuff 2027: the companies providing the logins must provide government with the identities 2028: because VPNs are being used to circumvent the law, if the logging entity knows you're an Australian citizen, even if you're not in Australia or using an Aussie IP address then they must still apply the law 2030: you must be logged in to vis…

> 2039: this list of sites cannot be visited by any Australian of any age

Block lists are not new. For example Italy blocks a number of sites, usually at DNS level with the cooperation of ISPs and DNS services. You can autotranslate this article from 2024 to get the gist of what is being blocked and why https://www.money.it/elenco-siti-vietati-italia-vengono-pers...

I believe other countries of the same area block sites for similar reasons.

Re: Australians to face age checks from search engines

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

jackvalentine wrote: post #91
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #88

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> Manufactured by whom? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent > Moderation was done very tightly on vbulletin forums back in the day, the difference is Facebook/Google et al expect to operate at a scale where (they claim) moderation can't be done. The difference isn't the scale of Google , it's the scale of the internet . Back in the day the internet was full of university professors and telecommunicati…

Maybe search is dead but doesn’t know it yet. Edit: you can’t just grow a Wikipedia link to manufacturing consent from the 80s as an explanation here. What a joke of a position. Maybe people have been hoodwinked by a media conspiracy or maybe they just don’t like what the kids are exposed to at a young age these days.

> you can’t just grow a Wikipedia link to manufacturing consent from the 80s as an explanation here. What a joke of a position.

Do you dispute the thesis of the book? Moral panics have always been used to sell both newspapers and bad laws.

> Maybe people have been hoodwinked by a media conspiracy or maybe they just don’t like what the kids are exposed to at a young age these days.

People have never liked what kids are exposed to. But it rather matters whether the proposed solution has more costs than effectiveness.

> Maybe search is dead but doesn’t know it yet.

Maybe some people who prefer the cathedral to the bazaar would prefer that. But ability of the public to discover anything outside of what the priests deign to tell them isn't something we should give up without a fight.

Re: Australians to face age checks from search engines

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Post by g-b-r »

Sevrene wrote: post #25

I’m an Australian who values privacy and civil liberties more than most I meet. While I yearn for the more authentic and sincere days of the internet I grew up on, I recognize very quickly by visiting x or facebook how much it isn’t that, and hasn’t been for a long time. I think this bill is a good thing and I support it.

This is the account's first message here in two years

Re: Australians to face age checks from search engines

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Post by jackvalentine »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #98
jackvalentine wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe search is dead but doesn’t know it yet. Edit: you can’t just grow a Wikipedia link to manufacturing consent from the 80s as an explanation here. What a joke of a position. Maybe people have been hoodwinked by a media conspiracy or maybe they just don’t like what the kids are exposed to at a young age these days.

> you can’t just grow a Wikipedia link to manufacturing consent from the 80s as an explanation here. What a joke of a position. Do you dispute the thesis of the book? Moral panics have always been used to sell both newspapers and bad laws. > Maybe people have been hoodwinked by a media conspiracy or maybe they just don’t like what the kids are exposed to at a young age these days. People have never liked what kids ar…

I dispute you’ve made any kind of connection between the two beyond your own feelings.

I put it to you, similarly without evidence, that your support for unfettered filth freedom is the result of a process of manufacturing consent now that American big tech dominates.

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