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Re: Australians to face age checks from search engines

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> misinformation Nothing screams “not living in Soviet Russia” like having a ministry of truth.

> “not living in Soviet Russia” Nothing screams "fear mongering" like comparing with living in Soviet Russia. Look, we can argue all day. There is no right or wrong answer. I don't fully support the govts initiative but I also don't want Meta/X/Google to have unlimited powers like they do in the US.

Can you explain how limiting a regular citizen's freedom constrains Meta/X/Google's power?

Re: Australians to face age checks from search engines

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As an australian citizen i'm all for it. Look at how the internet and social media has destroyed our current youth and their naivety and sense of emotional security. They all act like they're living in soviet russia at this point and have become so hard and jaded. Better I give a little bit of pii than some kid grows up too early. Would you be able to tell the difference if this policy came from a place of compassion…

As an Australian citizen I'm not fully in favour of this. But I think I agree that we need some protection from companies like Meta/Google etc influencing our youth based on the American political "situation".

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Re: Australians to face age checks from search engines

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> Another questionable measure by Government to protect our mollycoddled, insufficiently-resilient society Complains about mollycoddling. > a better approach would be to limit Immediately proposes new mollycoddling scheme.

Mollycoddling kids is one thing, we've always done that to some extent. Mollycoddling adults is another matter altogether.

Both proposals are mollycoddling children. It just happens that one of them inconveniences adults.

Re: Australians to face age checks from search engines

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What an awful sad fall for us all, from such lofty heights of possibility for technology, to a seemingly endless age of both humans being exploited and mechanized by technology and governments doing only the saddest most important useless clutching of pearls fear responses that do nothing to coax the world towards better.

Apologies. I'm already pretty morose over the USA Supreme Court allowing age verification, which although claiming to target porn seems so likely to cudgel any "adult" or sexual material at all.

Until recently the Declaration of Independence of Cyberspace has held pretty true. The online world has seen various regulations but mostly it's been taxes and businesses affected, and here we see a turn where humanity is now denied access by their governments, where we are no longer allowed to connect or to share, not without flashing our government verified id. It's such a sad lowering of the world, to such absolutely loser politicians doing such bitter pathetic anti governance for such low reasons. They impinge on the fundamental dignity & respect inherent on mankind here, in these intrusions into how we may think and connect.

Links for recent Texas age verification: https://www.wired.com/story/us-supreme-court-porn-age-verifi... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44397799

Re: Australians to face age checks from search engines

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2025: if you're logged in, then we check your age to see if you can do or see some stuff 2027: the companies providing the logins must provide government with the identities 2028: because VPNs are being used to circumvent the law, if the logging entity knows you're an Australian citizen, even if you're not in Australia or using an Aussie IP address then they must still apply the law 2030: you must be logged in to vis…

If only there was a name for this fallacy. Something slope something

Slippery slope is only a fallacy when there is no reason to believe the end state is likely or desired.

It seems quite likely that governments want to continuously chip away at privacy.

Re: Australians to face age checks from search engines

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Australians are broadly supportive of these kind of actions - there is a view that foreign internet behemoths have failed to moderate for themselves and will therefore have moderation imposed on them however imperfect. Can’t say I blame them.

I'm split on it. 100% agree that kids being off social media is better for society. But I can't see how it could be enforced without privacy implications for adults.

Re: Australians to face age checks from search engines

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Well the age assurance is only for logged-in users, so they can just log out.

The article doesn't quite spell it out but I assume you won't be able to turn off safe search unless you log in with a verified 18+ account.

This is how Youtube works now. Age restricted videos can't be viewed without logging in.

Re: Australians to face age checks from search engines

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Australia's been down this road before with the failed 2019 age verification bill and the Online Safety Act. The technical implementation challenges are enormous - from VPN circumvention to privacy risks of ID verification systems.

Well the age assurance is only for logged-in users, so they can just log out.

Unfortunately, two problems with that approach, Goolge with fingerprinting, cookies, IP addresses etc. will still know who you are. Second, even in the rare event that you are able to make yourself anonymous then the search results you're dished up can be filtered without your knowledge.

That would have the same effect.

Re: Australians to face age checks from search engines

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Australia's been down this road before with the failed 2019 age verification bill and the Online Safety Act. The technical implementation challenges are enormous - from VPN circumvention to privacy risks of ID verification systems.

Well the age assurance is only for logged-in users, so they can just log out.

Ahh yes, a technological solution to a political problem.
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