Is it not uncharactaristic that they're talking sbout this in public?
They aren't? > Representatives for Apple, Anthropic and OpenAI declined to comment.
I mean we know it's happening, so they definitely are.
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What data backs this take of yours? What irreplaceable apps are propping up iOS? What's the data showing that 50% of iPhone users are basically just begging to get off the platform?
> What irreplaceable apps are propping up iOS? EV charging and smart ID (aka gov id). To lesser extent - anything thats a smart hardware - home automation, cameras, vacuums, cars, drones, etc. Then there’s services - namely ride hailing, escooter hire. Plenty of mobile webapps are pretty crippled too so you download apps.
I don't understand how you consider these iOS-specific? These apps are also all available on Android phones.
If people, today, don't want to have iOS devices, they can switch to Android devices and use virtually all the same apps.
What would OpenAI release that would affect Apple and not every other phone vendor? Or do you also think all Android sales would tank if OpenAI released a phone?
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Absolutely lost what is going on. Awni Hannun on Twitter works for Apple on the MLX team and is always completely up to date on all the local LLM models and their capabilities. They literally have a team of people building MLX for doing model inference on Apple Silicon. Does someone need to send someone an email to realise you don't need a huge frontier model to do basic tool calling like this?
Not only that, but funneling every user query to Sam Altman isn’t exactly on-brand for Apple, also.
Well they have been funneling search to Google for years.
Of course, Google pays them, but it’s still funneling info to a surveillance company vs. providing a private search.
If Kagi can do it, Apple could.
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I would. Hands free in the car or when mowing the grass, chatting with the AI would be huge. "Text my wife and say I'll be late." is still too much to ask: it responds with 20 questions about all the parameters. "turn up the volume" does actually work for the first time, lately. (Bravo, Android). "open app antenna pod and begin playing" is way out of the question. Suck.
If you rename your wife on your contact list to "my wife" it'll work! "Test and say I'll be late" works fine. Sometimes the message gets sent, sometimes a request for confirmation is asked first. Irritating it isn't consistent. > "open app antenna pod and begin playing" This should work with the old Google assistant even, assuming the app added the proper integrations.
Yeah the whole point of ML is it learns without needing an integration. "Open app X" is something a 5 year old can do (and Gemini can actually do this). But "open X and play" it gets tripped up on the media play state. That 5 year old would just look for a play button. Or if it's a bluetooth enabled app it will have an API to play. There's still a gap.
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It doesn’t matter. No one buys an iPhone for Siri and no one switches to Android for whatever they call this thing. I have owned an iPhone for more than 15 years, and I have used Siri a dozen times. They will implement something using GPT-4 or Claude and this whole mess will be forgotten.
I would. Hands free in the car or when mowing the grass, chatting with the AI would be huge. "Text my wife and say I'll be late." is still too much to ask: it responds with 20 questions about all the parameters. "turn up the volume" does actually work for the first time, lately. (Bravo, Android). "open app antenna pod and begin playing" is way out of the question. Suck.
Or how about at least having a full understanding or how iOS and it settings work things like “hey Siri turn off the phone” or “ hey Siri, why am I not hearing a ring when I get phone calls?” or “why is my phone not going into silent mode when I get into bed at night”.
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#97IMO Apple's play here is to be the host that runs something like mcp servers and allows/encourages App devs to allow users to ask Siri to make requests that utilize their apps. Then we can interact with multiple apps all via Siri and have them work together. To me that's a huge win.
That’s essentially what app intents are.
Thank you. I didn't know this had a name.
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It's not about being fancy. My examples are so utterly dull. Being able to say "turn on the lights in the living room and turn off the fans in the kids' rooms" – is not a crazy use case. Instead, I literally have to say: - Turn on Living Room light - wait - turn off bedroom fan - wait - turn off bedroom fan Yes, I could actually say "turn off all the fans" (I believe Siri understands that) but that's usually not what…
Actually, what you describe should be feasible with the new on-device foundation models (I haven’t installed the beta myself, but in my close friend group we’ve been suggesting prompts to the couple of brave people who do Switft development, and the foundation models seem able to do that).
That's wonderful news. I hope it translates to being baked into the built-in apps like Home/Siri.
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The problem with Apple is that their corporate culture doesn't vibe well with a lot of new tech. Their culture of secrecy held them back with the original "smart assistants" as all the best talent were PhDs who wanted to publish, but apple wouldn't allow that; on top of that, they didn't pay top dollar like Google or Amazon did at the time, either (whom also let their employees publish on top of that!). Apple is bein…
> problem with Apple is that their corporate culture doesn't vibe well with a lot of new tech Apple has never been the company that does it first. They're the company that does it right. Arguably, their fuckup with LLMs was rushing a garbage product to market instead of waiting and watching and perfecting in the background. > Apple is being far too conservative with a far too fast a developing piece of technology Str…
My point is that some tech needs to be iterative. Apple Maps could have been a huge success at the same quality level if it was treated as a public beta. Map applications are never done, either. They require constant work anyways.
It doesn’t matter if you’re first or not, but even if the tech for AI stabilizes, it’s still going to need constant input for news, events, etc. It will never be static. Apple needs to form those data relationships asap if it wants to own the tech.