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Apple weighs using Anthropic or OpenAI to power Siri

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Re: Apple weighs using Anthropic or OpenAI to power Siri

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Rebuff5007 wrote: post #16
atonse wrote: post #7

At this point, just about anything Apple can do will be way way way better than the absolute turd that is Siri. (It was only impressive 15 years ago). Apple's AI strategy has seriously hurt their reputation. I'd love to be a fly on the wall where they discussed a strategy that amounted to "forget using the most basic LLM to understand combinations of commands like, stop all the timers and just keep the one that has a…

I know this is the leading narrative, but I actually disagree. Apple has a wonderful set of products without any form of generative AI, and those products continues to exist. Yes there is opportunity to add some fancy natural-language based search / control, but that seems like relatively low hanging fruit compared to the moat they have and defend. Will adding gen ai natively to apple products have people non-trivial…

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martinald wrote: post #22
jonplackett wrote: post #4

I find this all quite baffling. I’m pretty sure I could knock up a decent Siri clone with got4o-mini, because I already did a bootleg Alexa to power our smart home stuff after Amazon removed the privacy controls. The only hard bit was the wake word. Siri is currently so terrible that even something like Mistral 8b could do a decent job. Whey don’t they just run something like that on their own servers instead?

Absolutely lost what is going on. Awni Hannun on Twitter works for Apple on the MLX team and is always completely up to date on all the local LLM models and their capabilities. They literally have a team of people building MLX for doing model inference on Apple Silicon. Does someone need to send someone an email to realise you don't need a huge frontier model to do basic tool calling like this?

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Re: Apple weighs using Anthropic or OpenAI to power Siri

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bitpush wrote: post #50
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> problem with Apple is that their corporate culture doesn't vibe well with a lot of new tech Apple has never been the company that does it first. They're the company that does it right. Arguably, their fuckup with LLMs was rushing a garbage product to market instead of waiting and watching and perfecting in the background. > Apple is being far too conservative with a far too fast a developing piece of technology Str…

People love to parrot this, yet if you think for a second this isnt true at all in all the many ways. 1. Siri - not the first assistant, absolute garbage. 2. Apple Maps (original) - utter garbage at launch, slightly better today in US. 3. Vision Pro - Not the first VR headset. Massive failure. If anything, Apple has been tremendously successful few times when they were not first (phones, tablets, silicon ..) but they…

These first two bullets launched well over a decade ago.

The third bullet is soft because ALL vr headsets have been flops.

All told you are actually painting a pretty solid picture of apples track record. They’ve launched so many things in the past 20 years and expanded into new markets (wearables, headphones, streaming hardware and services) that it’s impressive there aren’t more flops

Re: Apple weighs using Anthropic or OpenAI to power Siri

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Post by dham »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #34
sandspar wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Young people are increasingly comfortable using voice, and marketing agencies already consider Gen Alpha to be “voice native.” I once saw a small child help his grandfather with a phone issue. The grandfather fumbled with the GUI, but the child opened Siri and solved it by voice. If Apple drops the ball on voice, it may not hurt them today - but they risk losing the next decade.

> Young people are increasingly comfortable using voice I know plenty of folks in their 40s and 50s who have used Siri as their primary way to search the internet for years.

My mom does everything through voice on her iPhone. My son defaults to using Siri on Mac for a ton of things. He grew up with an Alexa. It's really the in between generation who learned how to master a computer at a young age that don't really use it.

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Post by Melatonic »

Downloaded Apple intelligence and realised I was probably never going to use it. Fully disabled. Siri has been disabled since day 1 (moved over from Android to the iPhone 15 pro max)

I would much rather see small individual uses of AI using the quite powerful hardware than another chatbot.

Photo editing for example - the new AI feature to remove an object (like a random person behind you in a selfie) works great. Give us more upgrades like that with real world uses ! I don't care about some giant all encompassing Siri. I don't even like talking to my phone in general.

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Post by bitpush »

rorylawless wrote: post #77

If Apple still had “courage”, they’d give up on AI and release a truly revolutionary “average phone”. A phone stripped of social media apps and features, with only access to music, mapping and messaging apps.

Genuine question - who's asking for that? You doing think HN if representative of the larger iPhone user base do you?

Re: Apple weighs using Anthropic or OpenAI to power Siri

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Post by bitpush »

UltraSane wrote: post #78

I truly do not understand how the same company that can create a truly innovative and incredible bit of hardware like the Vision Pro can also let Siri stagnate for almost its entire life.

They painted themselves into a corner really. It started with privacy marketing and then they started believing it. Data = radioactive etc etc

Siri can't get better without access to copious amounts of data; data apple doesn't have.

They are fucked

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