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There are no new ideas in AI, only new datasets

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Re: There are no new ideas in AI, only new datasets

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I will respectfully disagree. All "new" ideas come from old ideas. AI is a tool to access old ideas with speed and with new perspectives that hasn't been available up until now. Innovation is in the cracks: recognition of holes, intersections, tangents, etc. on old ideas. It has bent said that innovation is done on the shoulders of giants. So AI can be an express elevator up to an army of giant's shoulders? It all de…

Exactly!

Can you imagine if we applied the same gatekeeping logic to science?

Imagine you weren't allowed to use someone else's scientific work or any derivative of it.

We would make no progress.

The only legitimate defense I have ever seen here revolves around IP and copyright infringement, which I couldn't care less about.

Re: There are no new ideas in AI, only new datasets

#12

I will respectfully disagree. All "new" ideas come from old ideas. AI is a tool to access old ideas with speed and with new perspectives that hasn't been available up until now. Innovation is in the cracks: recognition of holes, intersections, tangents, etc. on old ideas. It has bent said that innovation is done on the shoulders of giants. So AI can be an express elevator up to an army of giant's shoulders? It all de…

Access old ideas? Yes. With new perspectives? Not necessarily. An LLM may be able to assist in interpreting data with new perspectives but in practice they're still fairly bad at greenfield work.

As with most things, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. LLMs can be helpful as a way of accelerating certain kinds and certain aspects of research but not others.

Re: There are no new ideas in AI, only new datasets

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Reinforcement learning from self-play/AlphaWhatever? Nah must just be datasets. :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TD-Gammon

You raise a really interesting point. I'm sure it's just missed my notice, but I'm not familiar with any projects from antediluvian AI that have been resurrected to run on modern hardware and see where they'd really asymptote if they'd had the compute they deserved.

Re: There are no new ideas in AI, only new datasets

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The latest LLMs are simply multiplying and adding various numbers together... Babylonians were doing that 4000 years ago.

You are just a lot of interactions of waves. All meaning is assigned. I prefer to think of this like the Goedel generator that found new formal expressions for the Principia - because we have a way of indexing concept-space, there's no telling what we might find in the gaps.

Re: There are no new ideas in AI, only new datasets

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I'd say with confidence: we're living in the early days. AI has made jaw-dropping progress in two major domains: language and vision. With large language models (LLMs) like GPT-4 and Claude, and vision models like CLIP and DALL·E, we've seen machines that can generate poetry, write code, describe photos, and even hold eerily humanlike conversations.

But as impressive as this is, it’s easy to lose sight of the bigger picture: we’ve only scratched the surface of what artificial intelligence could be — because we’ve only scaled two modalities: text and images.

That’s like saying we’ve modeled human intelligence by mastering reading and eyesight, while ignoring touch, taste, smell, motion, memory, emotion, and everything else that makes our cognition rich, embodied, and contextual.

Human intelligence is multimodal. We make sense of the world through:

Touch (the texture of a surface, the feedback of pressure, the warmth of skin0; Smell and taste (deeply tied to memory, danger, pleasure, and even creativity); Proprioception (the sense of where your body is in space — how you move and balance); Emotional and internal states (hunger, pain, comfort, fear, motivation).

None of these are captured by current LLMs or vision transformers. Not even close. And yet, our cognitive lives depend on them.

Language and vision are just the beginning — the parts we were able to digitize first - not necessarily the most central to intelligence.

The real frontier of AI lies in the messy, rich, sensory world where people live. We’ll need new hardware (sensors), new data representations (beyond tokens), and new ways to train models that grow understanding from experience, not just patterns.

Re: There are no new ideas in AI, only new datasets

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I will respectfully disagree. All "new" ideas come from old ideas. AI is a tool to access old ideas with speed and with new perspectives that hasn't been available up until now. Innovation is in the cracks: recognition of holes, intersections, tangents, etc. on old ideas. It has bent said that innovation is done on the shoulders of giants. So AI can be an express elevator up to an army of giant's shoulders? It all de…

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Re: There are no new ideas in AI, only new datasets

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I will respectfully disagree. All "new" ideas come from old ideas. AI is a tool to access old ideas with speed and with new perspectives that hasn't been available up until now. Innovation is in the cracks: recognition of holes, intersections, tangents, etc. on old ideas. It has bent said that innovation is done on the shoulders of giants. So AI can be an express elevator up to an army of giant's shoulders? It all de…

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Re: There are no new ideas in AI, only new datasets

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I'd say with confidence: we're living in the early days. AI has made jaw-dropping progress in two major domains: language and vision. With large language models (LLMs) like GPT-4 and Claude, and vision models like CLIP and DALL·E, we've seen machines that can generate poetry, write code, describe photos, and even hold eerily humanlike conversations. But as impressive as this is, it’s easy to lose sight of the bigger…

> The real frontier of AI lies in the messy, rich, sensory world where people live. We’ll need new hardware (sensors), new data representations (beyond tokens), and new ways to train models that grow understanding from experience, not just patterns.

Like Dr. Who said: DALEKs aren't brains in a machine, they are the machine!

Same is true for humans. We really are the whole body, we're not just driving it around.

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