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ICE test train reaches speeds of up to 405.0 km/h

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Re: ICE test train reaches speeds of up to 405.0 km/h

#31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting; America seems to be suffering the same fate. It takes municipalities years to fix highways. The main highway running through Silicon Valley, 101, has been under construction for more than a decade and is in dire need of improvement. It seems the network of roads built in the 40s, 50s and 60s just can no longer be done efficiently.

> America seems to be suffering the same fate Not uniformly. New York's LIRR (90 to 95% [1]) and Metro-North (99% [2]) feature on-time rates that rival the Swiss (93% [3]). [1] https://www.osc.ny.gov/files/reports/pdf/report-9-2025.pdf [2] https://wpdh.com/metro-north-on-time-reliability/ [3] https://reporting.sbb.ch/punctuality?=&years=1,4,5,6,7&scrol...

Not sure I understand your point; GP was talking about highway maintenance and you're talking about trains.

Re: ICE test train reaches speeds of up to 405.0 km/h

#32
post #20

'ICE' here means Intercity Express [0] and not internal combustion engine. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercity_Express

And also not the organization currently force-relocating innocent civilians to detention camps. I wonder if the Germans will end up having to rename the train system at some point.

> I wonder if the Germans will end up having to rename the train system at some point.

You are vastly overestimating the relevance of this issue for the German public discourse.

Re: ICE test train reaches speeds of up to 405.0 km/h

#33
post #8

I fear that the general public in Germany will not be praising this achievement. The once efficient and punctional trains in Germany have deteriorated severely in the past years due to lots of delayed maintenance causing lots of delays and even regular cancelations of trains. Also the road infrastructure is suffering from delayed maintenance.

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Re: ICE test train reaches speeds of up to 405.0 km/h

#34

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That's exactly it, it's not the new top speed they need, they lack efficiency. And it's not just Deutschebahn. For example BVG, who runs busses and U-bahn in Berlin is even less reliable.

I think higher speeds can help efficiency. For example it can help catch up a train that has been delayed.

West European rail is very full, so rail use is carefully coordinated, since trains of vastly different speeds (e.g. ICE vs a regional train) use the same tracks.

If an ICE is, say, 15 minutes late, they cannot just drive faster to catch up. The schedule went on, and at that point there may be a much slower regional or intercity train on the same trajectory.

This is why ICE delays tend to cascade. It starts with a short delay, the ICE gets stuck behind a slower train, increasing the delay, etc.

The solution is better maintenance of tracks and trains, adding more rail capacity, adding redundancy, etc.

Of course, these are all much more expensive than an ICE speed experiment for PR.

Re: ICE test train reaches speeds of up to 405.0 km/h

#35
post #25

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For every train, there is a fixed number of tickets per price category. So sometimes, you can still find cheap tickets ("super sparpreis") a day before because thag specific train didn't have many bookings:)

Aw hell they picked up on that stupid American capitalist crap? I worked in Germany in 2005 and back then everything was fixed price per kilometer for each train class, and you could get rail passes of sorts and get on whatever the hell trains you want during their validity. I'd take train roundtrips after work just to watch sunsets.

> Aw hell they picked up on that stupid American capitalist crap?

Surge pricing is not an uniquely american concept.

Re: ICE test train reaches speeds of up to 405.0 km/h

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting; America seems to be suffering the same fate. It takes municipalities years to fix highways. The main highway running through Silicon Valley, 101, has been under construction for more than a decade and is in dire need of improvement. It seems the network of roads built in the 40s, 50s and 60s just can no longer be done efficiently.

> America seems to be suffering the same fate Not uniformly. New York's LIRR (90 to 95% [1]) and Metro-North (99% [2]) feature on-time rates that rival the Swiss (93% [3]). [1] https://www.osc.ny.gov/files/reports/pdf/report-9-2025.pdf [2] https://wpdh.com/metro-north-on-time-reliability/ [3] https://reporting.sbb.ch/punctuality?=&years=1,4,5,6,7&scrol...

You might want to look into what they define as being "late".

> A commuter train is considered on-time by the LIRR if it arrives within 5 minutes and 59 seconds of its scheduled arrival time.

The second source doesn't say, but let's assume it's the same as for LIRR, i.e. 6 minutes.

It's also unfortunate that the SBB doesn't immediately tell us the metric, but I happen to know it's 3 minutes (more specifically 2 minutes and 59 seconds).

In other words, the LIRR permits a delay of twice the time as SBB for it to constitute late. The S-trains in Copenhagen now has a punctuality of 97% using a 3 minute metric.[0]

[0] https://www.dsb.dk/om-dsb/virksomheden/rettidighed/s-togs-re...

Re: ICE test train reaches speeds of up to 405.0 km/h

#37
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes but it’s a strictly better situation to be in although your point is valid.

Do you imply that trains would normally run slower than what they can safely achieve?

i don't know where i implied that but it is well known that this is the case in order to give buffer time.

Re: ICE test train reaches speeds of up to 405.0 km/h

#38
post #8

I fear that the general public in Germany will not be praising this achievement. The once efficient and punctional trains in Germany have deteriorated severely in the past years due to lots of delayed maintenance causing lots of delays and even regular cancelations of trains. Also the road infrastructure is suffering from delayed maintenance.

Interesting; America seems to be suffering the same fate. It takes municipalities years to fix highways. The main highway running through Silicon Valley, 101, has been under construction for more than a decade and is in dire need of improvement. It seems the network of roads built in the 40s, 50s and 60s just can no longer be done efficiently.

> It seems the network of roads built in the 40s, 50s and 60s just can no longer be done efficiently.

Of course they can, we have not lost that capability. It's not a matter of efficiency but effectivity. Road constructions of the 1960s are not effective for 21st century traffic demands. Today's level of traffic far exceeds the anticipated level of traffic at the time of construction. Germany sees this all the time, esp. with regards to bridges. Maintaining a road or a bridge to be effective at supporting the original traffic levels is easy but under today's load would require constant maintenance to not deteriorate immediately. Those constructions need to be upgraded which is hard to impossible to do in situ.

Let's take a well-known construction in Germany, the Leverkusener Brücke an der A1. It was originally built in the 1960s for a traffic level of 40,000 cars (and trucks) per day. It was upgraded and refurbished over the decades (meaning almost constant construction work happening) to a level of 100,000 cars per day. It wasn't enough, in 2016 about 120,000 cars crossed the bridge per day. At the same time trucks got about 30 % heavier from 1960 to 1990 and we all know that passenger cars got heavier, too.

So the whole bridge was replaced, which took 7 years, ending in 2024. During that time traffic was rerouted over two nearby bridges in Cologne and Düsseldorf. The Cologne bridge was so badly damaged by the additional load that it had to be partially closed down and now is up for refurbishment or, maybe, replacement. Network effects at work ;)

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is: we are actually better at building stuff than our predecessors but the demands put on our constructions are much, much higher. I don't dare to say if our capabilities have grown as much as the demands require.

Re: ICE test train reaches speeds of up to 405.0 km/h

#39
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes but it’s a strictly better situation to be in although your point is valid.

Do you imply that trains would normally run slower than what they can safely achieve?

Everything always runs at 80% down to even 50% for normal 99% of the time operation. Not just trains, everything.

Re: ICE test train reaches speeds of up to 405.0 km/h

#40
post #8

I fear that the general public in Germany will not be praising this achievement. The once efficient and punctional trains in Germany have deteriorated severely in the past years due to lots of delayed maintenance causing lots of delays and even regular cancelations of trains. Also the road infrastructure is suffering from delayed maintenance.

It is a pretty limited achievement as-is: ignoring maglevs, a tgv test train reached 575 kph back in 2007, and China had test trains reaching 487 in 2011. China’s next-gen is being deployed with goals of a 400kph service speed.

If I understand it correct, this was also a 10 year old train.
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