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Re: Show HN: Octelium – FOSS Alternative to Teleport, Cloudflare, Tailscale, Ngrok

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Reading through the docs. I feel like a lot of people are missing the value here. This could be a diamond in the rough if it actually delivers on its docs. What enterprises want is to move away from perimeter based security models towards the promise that Google überProxy/BeyondCorp popularized many years ago. Which has been lost in the buzzword soup. It’s very simple. 1. A clean separation between Prod, Corp, and th…

Thank you really for your comment. I was actually hoping myself to get more questions that are related to the internals and architecture of Octelium, especially from those who are familiar with commercial ZTAs such as Cloudflare Access, Teleport, StrongDM, Google BeyondCorp, Pomerium and many other ZTNA/BeyondCorp based solutions.

Will DM after I’ve had a chance to dig.

Re: Show HN: Octelium – FOSS Alternative to Teleport, Cloudflare, Tailscale, Ngrok

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The problem is, commercial services will always enshittify. It's inevitable. Even when they conquer the whole market (see Netflix) they will want to see a rising line in profits so then they will turn the thumbscrews on the customers.

The term 'enshittification' sounds negative for what an organization needs to do to take care of employees.

Sorry no. A stable organization with a good profit margin is enough to take care of employees and pay their salaries. Boundless growth which is what enshittification is associated with, is driven by money-hungry stakeholders and “investors” that demand an ever growing return on investment - they don’t settle for speed, they need constant acceleration.

Re: Show HN: Octelium – FOSS Alternative to Teleport, Cloudflare, Tailscale, Ngrok

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I mean the fact headscale exists and is still in decent development, means i doubt it really is an issue, what i'd like to see is an effort for an opensource tailscale client so we could use headscale without the closed source client.

Isn't the client entirely OSS? - https://github.com/tailscale/tailscale

IIRC it’s just the macOS GUI client that’s closed source? I are the CLI client (CLIent?) compiled from source.

EDIT: yep, referenced in your link! They have a very clear page[0] describing what is and isn’t open source.

[0] https://tailscale.com/opensource

Re: Show HN: Octelium – FOSS Alternative to Teleport, Cloudflare, Tailscale, Ngrok

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Thank you really for your comment. I was actually hoping myself to get more questions that are related to the internals and architecture of Octelium, especially from those who are familiar with commercial ZTAs such as Cloudflare Access, Teleport, StrongDM, Google BeyondCorp, Pomerium and many other ZTNA/BeyondCorp based solutions.

Will DM after I’ve had a chance to dig.

Happy to answer any questions regarding Octelium internals/architecture or regarding the project overall whenever you need to. You can find the project's Slack/Discord channels and contact emails in the repo's README or on the website.

Re: Show HN: Octelium – FOSS Alternative to Teleport, Cloudflare, Tailscale, Ngrok

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TailScale is wonderful but they do need competition. I imagine an IPO is on the horizon, and as soon as they enter that phase, nasty price increases are sure to follow unless someone else is nipping hard at their heels.

I’ve been meaning to explore Netbird. Fewer features at the moment, but can be fully self hosted.

Their mobile android app is awful.

Re: Show HN: Octelium – FOSS Alternative to Teleport, Cloudflare, Tailscale, Ngrok

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This looks very impressive, but the Readme has way to many details, I think i got the idea but I'm not sure, and that's a problem.

Thank you. I'd advise you to read how it works https://octelium.com/docs/octelium/latest/overview/how-octel... and the quick management guide https://octelium.com/docs/octelium/latest/overview/managemen... to get a clearer idea about how it works and how it's managed. The docs are full of examples for specific use cases too such as https://octelium.com/docs/octelium/latest/management/guide/s... https://octelium.com/docs/octelium/latest/management/guide/s...

Re: Show HN: Octelium – FOSS Alternative to Teleport, Cloudflare, Tailscale, Ngrok

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But that's what I'm getting at. Even if it is much more, is all of that immediately relevant to a curious/potential new user? I understand it may not be easy to narrow down the explanation, especially if you invested a lot of time and don't want to do a disservice to yourself by underselling it. Looking at the Tailscale tagline I quoted, it is small and ambiguous enough that it works marketing wise, regardless of all…

I am sorry that you find whatever I say as nothing but "jargon". I assume that those interested in Octelium are already interested in zero trust architectures as defined by NIST, simply products such as Cloudlfare Access, Teleport, StrongDM, Google BeyondCorp, Zscaler ZTNA, etc... I will do my best to simplify the README soon.

I am the potential target audience and I assure you it's understandable and clear.

I share some (very little) from some of the criticism regarding the clarity, but I disagree you need a tagine like Tailscale while your solution does several times more things.

Great product, im chewing through the docs already :)

Re: Show HN: Octelium – FOSS Alternative to Teleport, Cloudflare, Tailscale, Ngrok

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The term 'enshittification' sounds negative for what an organization needs to do to take care of employees.

Sorry no. A stable organization with a good profit margin is enough to take care of employees and pay their salaries. Boundless growth which is what enshittification is associated with, is driven by money-hungry stakeholders and “investors” that demand an ever growing return on investment - they don’t settle for speed, they need constant acceleration.

Isn’t it more of an “all of the above”?

A lot of employees at successful startups & FAANG make most of their money from the stock, no? And they need to buy houses and send their kids to fancy schools too, no? So sure, we can reduce it to stock holders, but I’d bet dollars to donuts the 90% of employees who aren’t posting on hn are at least passively ok with “improving metrics”, and some ambitious ones are driving the enshittification initiatives hard.

Re: Show HN: Octelium – FOSS Alternative to Teleport, Cloudflare, Tailscale, Ngrok

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I am sorry that you find whatever I say as nothing but "jargon". I assume that those interested in Octelium are already interested in zero trust architectures as defined by NIST, simply products such as Cloudlfare Access, Teleport, StrongDM, Google BeyondCorp, Zscaler ZTNA, etc... I will do my best to simplify the README soon.

I am the potential target audience and I assure you it's understandable and clear. I share some (very little) from some of the criticism regarding the clarity, but I disagree you need a tagine like Tailscale while your solution does several times more things. Great product, im chewing through the docs already :)

Thank you. You're welcome to ask any questions regarding the internals of Octelium via the emails or Slack/Discord channels. You can find all the contact links in the repo's README or on the website.

Re: Show HN: Octelium – FOSS Alternative to Teleport, Cloudflare, Tailscale, Ngrok

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Just some feedback to share some problems I personally think you’re going to have and why I suspect you’ll face a healthy amount of skepticism. There is a lack of history of development that ends with a major initial commit of unknown origin, a lack of any public information, a company that does not appear (publicly) to exist, and a product that is going to solve every need that can be imagined by packing it with buz…

> solo dev/no name company is going to suddenly drop a product

A developer/company with an opaque background that you're to trust to give access to backend systems using passwordless embedded SSH (no keys needed!).

That's a big NOPE.

(Also, even the answers OP has provided really give an AI bot vibe)

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