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China Dominates 44% of Visible Fishing Activity Worldwide
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Re: China Dominates 44% of Visible Fishing Activity Worldwide
#23And it does so on seas that aren't even remotely close to China. They're looting the entire Pacific Ocean.
The article only talks about visible fishing activity. But China operates many “dark fleets” where many unregistered boats sail along registered boats. They are fishing way more than the 44% that is being reported. These fleets will no doubt destroy ecosystems beyond repair.
https://news.mongabay.com/2020/10/new-evidence-suggests-chin...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-19/how-china-is-plunderi...
https://time.com/6328528/investigation-chinese-fishing-fleet...
Re: China Dominates 44% of Visible Fishing Activity Worldwide
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's very hard to take your comment in good faith. Societal expectations were very different back then. Should we also slam those trying to end modern slavery by mentioning slavers of the past?
How convenient. Getting on top of the mountain and pulling the ladder behind you. If rich countries were willing to really help those less fortunate (especially counties that they themselves looted in the past), this argument would have a lot more weight. Is the rest of the world supposed to stay poor and desperate forever? Especially considering that rich countries still suck massive amounts of resources (and turn a…
China is no longer a "poor country". And overfishing is harmful especially for poorer people who will be deprived of a relatively cheap source of food and export. Especially the smaller fishers. Somalia is probably the best example of this.
But no, the West has often been imperfect, no doubt about that, which is why these sort of restrictions and limitations were set up: to prevent repeating the mistakes of the past which hurt everyone. And yes, we probably should recognise more that the West got ahead partly in ways that harmed everyone. But none of that justifies what China is doing.
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#25FWIW, China also produces enormous (enormous) quantities of seafood from caged underwater oceanic farms. It's the future of fishing IMHO. The rich, everywhere in the world, will continue to seek wild-caught though. (While they publicly rail against the poor eating wild-caught. Such is how the wheels turn.).
Tasmania produces a lot of caged salmon.
It’s bad for the salmon (in terms of animal welfare) and it’s wrecking the local ecosystems. It’s not any sort of panacea.
We need to stop destroying ocean ecosystems, not just shift the damage around. Overfishing of wild stock, habitat destruction through bottom-trawling and intensive fish farming all need to be properly looked at.
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#26Bottom trawling in particular seems horrendous. Here is Attenborough narrating about the horrors of it and how it affects the ocean floor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXp3jo_uGOQ
Concrete pylons with blades?
Re: China Dominates 44% of Visible Fishing Activity Worldwide
#27I wonder about engineering yourself a productive fishery instead of exploiting wild stocks.
Most of the ocean is practically a desert. The only productive places are near land, where deep water up wells and returns sunken nutrients back to the surface.
I'm sure we could study and engineer some sort of nutrient dumping and cycling scheme. I bet you could make vastly more food while leaving a lot of ocean alone.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's very hard to take your comment in good faith. Societal expectations were very different back then. Should we also slam those trying to end modern slavery by mentioning slavers of the past?
Nuance is required. Would you impose a 2 Sea Bass over 42cm limit per person on the residents of North Sentinel Island? It’s all a spectrum. One nation cannot leapfrog the rest in its advancements then demand the rest follow its new norms, unless they’re willing to put their money where their mouth is.
There’s zero nuance required for China, it’s a modern economy and should definitely be held to modern standards.
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#30I wonder about engineering yourself a productive fishery instead of exploiting wild stocks. Most of the ocean is practically a desert. The only productive places are near land, where deep water up wells and returns sunken nutrients back to the surface. I'm sure we could study and engineer some sort of nutrient dumping and cycling scheme. I bet you could make vastly more food while leaving a lot of ocean alone.
Totally, they do a lot of this, fish farming.
There are places famous for it, and there are other places like French Polynesia where they use existing atols as places to do it.
It's not easy, but it can be very productive.