Hopefully their tolerance to self-hosters (Headscale) doesn't change.
The problem is, commercial services will always enshittify. It's inevitable. Even when they conquer the whole market (see Netflix) they will want to see a rising line in profits so then they will turn the thumbscrews on the customers.
It’s especially when they conquer the whole market. It’s why investors favor growth and adoption, even at a loss, until it’s won the market and can turn up the monetization dial.
TailScale is wonderful but they do need competition. I imagine an IPO is on the horizon, and as soon as they enter that phase, nasty price increases are sure to follow unless someone else is nipping hard at their heels.
But there are so so many competing products already? Not all are commercial (but why would you want that anyway). But ZeroTier is another one like that. Basically the same thing.
The problem is, commercial services will always enshittify. It's inevitable. Even when they conquer the whole market (see Netflix) they will want to see a rising line in profits so then they will turn the thumbscrews on the customers.
It’s especially when they conquer the whole market. It’s why investors favor growth and adoption, even at a loss, until it’s won the market and can turn up the monetization dial.
Well, they do it anyway.
All the streaming services are enshittifying, even the smaller ones. And other smaller webshops are enshittifying the same way that Amazon does. Like Cory Doctorow described, there's a few big webshops in the Netherlands like bol.com and coolblue.com and they are now also allowing third party sellers, often even from China. The webshops are absolved of all responsibility but they do cash out on every transaction.
For everyone who's having a hard time parsing what Octelium does, I found this page to be the clearest explanation: https://octelium.com/docs/octelium/latest/overview/how-octel... It's clearer because, instead of starting with a massive list of everything you could do with Octelium (which is indeed confusing), it starts by explaining the core primitives Octelium is built on, and builds up from there. And it actually…
TailScale is wonderful but they do need competition. I imagine an IPO is on the horizon, and as soon as they enter that phase, nasty price increases are sure to follow unless someone else is nipping hard at their heels.
I mean the fact headscale exists and is still in decent development, means i doubt it really is an issue, what i'd like to see is an effort for an opensource tailscale client so we could use headscale without the closed source client.
There are so so many of these already... - Tinc (the OG of P2P VPN) - Hamachi (not open though) - ZeroTier - Nebula (from Slack) - Tailscale - Netbird I wonder why people keep building more. I know each has its own quirks and things they're better at, but the difference is really quite minimal. One of the things I really would like is zero-trust 'lighthouses'. With current Zerotier and Tailscale, you really have to t…
Reading through the docs. I feel like a lot of people are missing the value here. This could be a diamond in the rough if it actually delivers on its docs. What enterprises want is to move away from perimeter based security models towards the promise that Google überProxy/BeyondCorp popularized many years ago. Which has been lost in the buzzword soup. It’s very simple. 1. A clean separation between Prod, Corp, and th…
Thank you really for your comment. I was actually hoping myself to get more questions that are related to the internals and architecture of Octelium, especially from those who are familiar with commercial ZTAs such as Cloudflare Access, Teleport, StrongDM, Google BeyondCorp, Pomerium and many other ZTNA/BeyondCorp based solutions.
Is this a replacement for a huge corpo botnet like access control?
If I am a huge corpo, don’t I want to have another huge corpo provide me the software with a support package to have some asssurance and not go with the open source option?
Not sure if your project solves any issue of a singular dev.
Headscale is great (I use it) but it is an alternative to the Tailscale control server, not the client applications. Some of those are closed source, and their compatibility with Headscale is not guaranteed.
Tailscale's client is already open source. https://tailscale.com/opensource : "The core client code for the Tailscale daemon used across all platforms is open source, and the full client code is open source for platforms that are also open source."
So if you are running a closed source OS, Tailscale doesn’t have an open source client? Wouldn’t closed source OS users of Tailscale benefit the most from having an open source Tailscale client available?
For everyone who's having a hard time parsing what Octelium does, I found this page to be the clearest explanation: https://octelium.com/docs/octelium/latest/overview/how-octel... It's clearer because, instead of starting with a massive list of everything you could do with Octelium (which is indeed confusing), it starts by explaining the core primitives Octelium is built on, and builds up from there. And it actually…
Tailscale's client is already open source. https://tailscale.com/opensource : "The core client code for the Tailscale daemon used across all platforms is open source, and the full client code is open source for platforms that are also open source."
So if you are running a closed source OS, Tailscale doesn’t have an open source client? Wouldn’t closed source OS users of Tailscale benefit the most from having an open source Tailscale client available?
> So if you are running a closed source OS, Tailscale doesn’t have an open source client?
As the content at the link makes crystal clear, the client is open source. Additionally, Tailscale's GUI for that client is open source on open source platforms.
99.999% of users of closed source OSs aren't going to care that the GUI isn't open source. The remaining 0.001% just use the open source client without the GUI.
So if you are running a closed source OS, Tailscale doesn’t have an open source client? Wouldn’t closed source OS users of Tailscale benefit the most from having an open source Tailscale client available?
> So if you are running a closed source OS, Tailscale doesn’t have an open source client? As the content at the link makes crystal clear, the client is open source. Additionally, Tailscale's GUI for that client is open source on open source platforms. 99.999% of users of closed source OSs aren't going to care that the GUI isn't open source. The remaining 0.001% just use the open source client without the GUI.
> 99.999% of users of closed source OSs aren't going to care that the GUI isn't open source.
They may or may not care, but just so we’re all on the same page, there isn’t an open source version of the end user application software for closed source operating systems that I can find on that page or any other Tailscale page. If one exists, I am happy to be corrected by you, and I am giving you the opportunity to do so now.