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Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by catlover76 » Sat, Jun 28, 2025, 5:03 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #474

Newtonip wrote: post #310

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It's a state founded on ethnic cleansing. People were already living there when settlers came to create an ethno-state for themselves. In late 1947, their militias begun a campaign of massacring and expelling Palestinians from mostly defenseless villages. These refuges pouring into neighboring Arab countries is what prompted the 1948 war. When the war ended, they murdered any civilians trying to return to their homes…

> People were already living there when settlers came to create an ethno-state for themselves Including a sizeable Jewish minority. The ethnic cleansing/settler-colonialist paradigm is easy for outsiders to project on the region. But it’s a continuation of outsiders (in particular Westerners, though the Iranians also bought this settler-colonialist nonsense which led to their recent miscalculations) with no connectio…

Having a sizeable minority of some kind does not really justify or excuse kicking out other ethnicities and religions to form a new state based on the primacy of that group. The mental gymnastics to think that expelling people living there while bringing in a population from Europe to displace them--literally to the point of having them move into homes vacated by Arabs who were expelled--is something other than a settler-colonialist is pretty astounding.

And the ambivalence and opposition of the Jews of Palestine to the Zionist project is fairly well-documented.

Rabbi Yakov Shapiro talks a lot about that, I think Gabor Mate does to some extent as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7POk0hVsgM

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by cenamus » Sat, Jun 28, 2025, 5:04 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #474

Newtonip wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a state founded on ethnic cleansing. People were already living there when settlers came to create an ethno-state for themselves. In late 1947, their militias begun a campaign of massacring and expelling Palestinians from mostly defenseless villages. These refuges pouring into neighboring Arab countries is what prompted the 1948 war. When the war ended, they murdered any civilians trying to return to their homes…

> People were already living there when settlers came to create an ethno-state for themselves Including a sizeable Jewish minority. The ethnic cleansing/settler-colonialist paradigm is easy for outsiders to project on the region. But it’s a continuation of outsiders (in particular Westerners, though the Iranians also bought this settler-colonialist nonsense which led to their recent miscalculations) with no connectio…

Some people seem to have the idea that most of the people are European Jews, when in reality, it was more Arab jews, in large part due to the Nazis. The standardized language even reflects this, closet to the local pronounciation of hebrew than the "accents" in Europe. Or even Jiddish

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by throw310822 » Sat, Jun 28, 2025, 5:05 PM UTC

xg15 wrote: post #190

alluro2 wrote: post #177

I visited Israel for a sports seminar some ~10 years ago and met many nice people. I felt sympathetic to their reality of living in an ever-hostile environment from all sides, and struggle to keep their place in the world safe. I admired their resilience and strength. When this Gaza conflict started, I saw how the Israeli protested against their government and demanded peace, so I thought there is a semblance of an e…

I'm German and I really see a lot of the blame for this on our states as well - the US and the EU states (especially Germany, sadly). As horrible as the Israeli mindset is, their subjective viewpoint is at least somewhat relatable: An ordinary Israeli citizen is born in that land, knows nothing else, just learns that the entirety of the surrounding populations want them dead - and will with very high likelihood exper…

> An ordinary Israeli citizen is born in that land, knows nothing else,

They know perfectly well that their settlers are conducting daily pogroms against Palestinian villages in the West Bank, protected by their own army. They know perfectly well that thousands of Palestinians are detained for years without due process, trialled by military courts, kept in a state of apartheid.

They just don't care.

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by keutoi » Sat, Jun 28, 2025, 5:07 PM UTC

froohmb wrote: post #375

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Oct 7th is not when anything started. If this is just a response a terror attack, then should Israel be profiting from it? Will the Palestinians be allowed to go back and rebuild?

Without a sense of proportionate response, if Hitler did some false flag attacks, do you expect the whole world to be okay with the Holocaust?

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by anonymars » Sat, Jun 28, 2025, 5:07 PM UTC

flkenosad wrote: post #476

WW3 is going to be China vs Israel. Watch.

One could make the argument that it's happening right now. Russia+North Korea, Iran, Hamas, they are all intertwined. And then on the other side you could say Ukraine, US, Israel.

Thought experiment: if the Israel/Gaza conflict didn't pop off, would the US presidency be the same right now? How did that change affect the Russia/Ukraine conflict? Etc.

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by erikerikson » Sat, Jun 28, 2025, 5:07 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #474

Newtonip wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a state founded on ethnic cleansing. People were already living there when settlers came to create an ethno-state for themselves. In late 1947, their militias begun a campaign of massacring and expelling Palestinians from mostly defenseless villages. These refuges pouring into neighboring Arab countries is what prompted the 1948 war. When the war ended, they murdered any civilians trying to return to their homes…

> People were already living there when settlers came to create an ethno-state for themselves Including a sizeable Jewish minority. The ethnic cleansing/settler-colonialist paradigm is easy for outsiders to project on the region. But it’s a continuation of outsiders (in particular Westerners, though the Iranians also bought this settler-colonialist nonsense which led to their recent miscalculations) with no connectio…

> how the Middle East should be divided up

Given how every group claims it is a holy place, I'd expect each group would want it held in a state of peace, prosperity, and reverence for the benefits of creation. Instead they all seem bent on holding their holy lands in states of violence, discord, and waste.

You're not wrong that there is deep external interference but wouldn't holy peoples rise above any of that to do better from every side?

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by elnatro » Sat, Jun 28, 2025, 5:10 PM UTC

LePetitPrince wrote: post #481

elnatro wrote: post #244

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Now they are being colonized by Morocco. They protested against Spanish domination and now they’ve been deported and oppressed by an autocratic regime.

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How is that related to the historical context I gave?

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by edanm » Sat, Jun 28, 2025, 5:11 PM UTC

xg15 wrote: post #222

lottin wrote: post #212

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What does it even mean 'to want nothing more than to end the conflict'? As far as I can tell it doesn't mean anything. Everybody wants the conflict to end, including the Israelis and the Palestinians. They just want it to end differently, of course.

In theory, we want to end it through the Two-State Solution (though even what this means is vague - certainty not the borders of 1967 that Palestinians and Arabs are demanding) But yeah, in practice, we seem to want it to end with full Israeli dominance, and the Palestinians either emigrating to Egypt and Jordan or vanishing into thin air, I suppose.

> But yeah, in practice, we seem to want it to end with full Israeli dominance, and the Palestinians either emigrating to Egypt and Jordan or vanishing into thin air, I suppose.

No, the majority of the West strongly wants a two-state solution (on the 1967 border, roughly). So did many Israelis, who voted people into office intent on achieving that goal many times.

The problem is, Israel and Palestine never managed to sign an agreement leading to a two-state solution. And in parallel to the peace process, some Palestinians launched the second intifada, a terror campaign which killed many hundreds of Israelis. This eventually lead most Israelis to think that a two-state solution is impossible.

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by elnatro » Sat, Jun 28, 2025, 5:11 PM UTC

LePetitPrince wrote: post #377

elnatro wrote: post #244

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Now they are being colonized by Morocco. They protested against Spanish domination and now they’ve been deported and oppressed by an autocratic regime.

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Is this generated by an AI, a Markov chain or schizophrenia?

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by razemio » Sat, Jun 28, 2025, 5:14 PM UTC

FireBeyond wrote: post #479

alkhatib wrote: post #215

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Green light : They send out notifications to people telling them aid is available at a certain location. Red light: 10 minutes later they send out another notification saying no aid is being distributed there today and start shooting anyone in the area

Just like several months ago, “we advise Gazans to move to southern Gaza as operations intensify in the north”. Within days: “Israeli bombing of southern Gaza intensifies 80%”.

I have to say, these warnings are byond any logic I can comprehend. It it not like Hamas does not get these warnings. Obviously they moved aswell. Then again, was this intended by Israel? So in the end nobody can trust these warnings. They are pointless.