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Re: The first non-opoid painkiller

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Post by [deleted] »

southernplaces7 wrote: post #208
singleshot_ wrote: post #194

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> a few Fifty thousand hospital visits per year > isn’t reasonable Fortunately this is not a popular opinion

You used and descontextualizad the scariest number possible for whatever instinctively nannying nonsense reason of your own. There were over 50,000 hospital emergency room visits, yes. However, bear in mind that many thousands of people visit emergency rooms for all kinds of unfounded reasons every year anyhow. Of those 50,000+ paracetamol-related visits (speaking of the United States here), less than 5% resulted in…

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Re: The first non-opoid painkiller

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Post by tclancy »

mousethatroared wrote: post #197
tclancy wrote: post #155

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I think they're using it hyperbolically. As a parent (who also maybe has a high pain tolerance but I am a guy and we are famous for both thinking that and for not being pain tolerant) my daughter is currently like this including the earrings thing. It's more of a frustration but I know she will grow out of it as she's already gotten a lot better. I would imagine OP is in the same boat and is just letting off a little…

"I think they're using it hyperbolically." You'd think my comment's thesis that folks with lower tolerances should be respected and treated differently would have given the rhetorical device away.

Yeah but have you considered they’re slow? Probably had bad parents.

Re: The first non-opoid painkiller

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Post by exolymph »

padjo wrote: post #214
southernplaces7 wrote: post #209

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The very idea that you should need special permission from some form of officialdom for having access to anything that is very widely useful but in all but a very, very small subset of select cases involving very, very few people who harm only themselves with its misuse is what's genuinely disgusting here. The vast majority of adults should be able to live in a world where they're not treated like 10-year-old childre…

I really hope I never find myself living in a society where your perspective dominates. I’d rather we took care of the weak than grumble about such an inconsequential inconvenience.

This attitude is why your society arrests people for mean tweets.

Re: The first non-opoid painkiller

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Post by kazinator »

theoreticalmal wrote: post #82
billforsternz wrote: post #40

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Off topic complaint: I am guessing an absolutely massive amount of (admittedly minor in each instance) grief has been caused by the most widely deployed simple, inexpensive, useful and familiar drug unnecessarily having two different names acetaminophen / paracetamol. Finally figured this out this year (aged 64) after previously being confused why I couldn't find any damn paracetamol in pharmacies on my occasional vi…

My wife and I got colds while vacationing in Edinburgh and had a heck of a time before realizing to ask for paracetamol rather than acetaminophen. Also, the rules the UK has for limiting paracetamol purchases to small amount per day are so fantastically stupid.

Naproxen works like acetaminophen, ibuprofen and others. Yet, it lasts several times longer thanks to its long half life. One naproxen replaces three or four acetaminophens.

Re: The first non-opoid painkiller

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Post by mousethatroared »

tclancy wrote: post #222
mousethatroared wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I think they're using it hyperbolically." You'd think my comment's thesis that folks with lower tolerances should be respected and treated differently would have given the rhetorical device away.

Yeah but have you considered they’re slow? Probably had bad parents.

Not slow, culturally inoculated hypersensitivity.

Re: The first non-opoid painkiller

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Post by laughing_man »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #174
laughing_man wrote: post #173

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The US doesn't have a significant problem with deliberate acetaminophen overdose as part of a suicide attempt, which is the problem the UK rules are meant to address.

Strictly speaking, if you wanted to solve intentional overdoses of acetaminophen, it appears that you could do it by presenting more appealing means of self-harm, like in the US. I'm pretty certain the availability of other lethal products (guns, really) directly correlates with whether OTC drug overdosing is a popular means of harm. I'm willing to bet that handing out cyanide pills OTC would effectively eliminate in…

There's some research to suggest if you make suicide a time consuming process some percentage of people who decide to do themselves in will reconsider while they're trying to carry out the act. I'm skeptical, but I understand the reasoning.

Re: The first non-opoid painkiller

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Post by refurb »

OJFord wrote: post #170
refurb wrote: post #166

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Based on what? The US went with the educational route - any product containing acetaminophen has “CONTAIN ACETAMINOPHEN - DO NOT COMBINE WITH OTHER PRODUCTS CONTAINING ACETAMINOPHEN” Overdoses went down despite the fact I can buy $1,000 tablets for $5 at Costco.

Based on studies⁰ that examined it. The fact that another country had success with a different technique too doesn't mean it wasn't successful. [0]: E.g. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23393081/

That study is...not that rigorous, but I give them points for being clear about it.

"The downward step change was not apparent when the intervention point was moved back to the beginning of 1998."

"Despite the apparent benefits of the 1998 legislation, there continues to be a considerable number of deaths each year due to paracetamol poisoning"

"One limitation of this study was that we only used data for deaths for poisoning with paracetamol (with or without alcohol), in pure or compound form. We did not use data for deaths where paracetamol was consumed with other drugs."

They had to take the available data and massage it like a Thai masseuse to find what they were looking for.

Not to mention they estimate a decrease of 7 deaths per year, where the post-change level is 121 deaths per year. That's a 5% change, so it's not surprising they had to look at the data a number of ways to even find a change.

Re: The first non-opoid painkiller

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Post by cedws »

theoreticalmal wrote: post #82
billforsternz wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Off topic complaint: I am guessing an absolutely massive amount of (admittedly minor in each instance) grief has been caused by the most widely deployed simple, inexpensive, useful and familiar drug unnecessarily having two different names acetaminophen / paracetamol. Finally figured this out this year (aged 64) after previously being confused why I couldn't find any damn paracetamol in pharmacies on my occasional vi…

My wife and I got colds while vacationing in Edinburgh and had a heck of a time before realizing to ask for paracetamol rather than acetaminophen. Also, the rules the UK has for limiting paracetamol purchases to small amount per day are so fantastically stupid.

How are you consuming a whole pack of paracetamol a day for that to be a problem?

Re: The first non-opoid painkiller

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Post by wiseowise »

tclancy wrote: post #222
mousethatroared wrote: post #197

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"I think they're using it hyperbolically." You'd think my comment's thesis that folks with lower tolerances should be respected and treated differently would have given the rhetorical device away.

Yeah but have you considered they’re slow? Probably had bad parents.

Wimp is a derogatory term with defined meaning. Try to educate yourself and your buddy before commenting something like that.
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