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The Effect of Noise on Sleep

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Re: The Effect of Noise on Sleep

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I wish they’d make car alarms illegal. afaict they do nothing. no one looks. It does not stop car theft or breakins. all it does ruin everyone’s sleep.

Especially in 2025, if you want to know if your car is being whatever triggers an alarm then have it send you a message that only bothers you and not several hundred other people.

There is your new startup idea for ycombinator. car alarm app with optional $$$ track down service :p

Re: The Effect of Noise on Sleep

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Interesting, perhaps age related deafness contributes.

>age-related deafness Interestingly, there's been some suggestion that hearing loss is not inevitable with age, but is mostly just the accumulation of noise-related hearing loss in a loud industrial society. https://canadianaudiologist.ca/a-new-perspective-on-chronic-... https://www.icben.org/2017/ICBEN%202017%20Papers/SubjectArea... https://www.nature.com/articles/s41370-024-00660-3 I think partly the issue is that…

I've tried searching the literature to find out whether this is either 1)wrong, or 2)generally known within the fields of audiology and occupational hygiene, but so far I've come up empty.

FWIW, I've also heard the same, but don't remember where off the top of my head. It's at least potentially true, but the conventional wisdom among acousticians/noise control engineering is that age-related hearing loss is mostly to increasing age rather than external factors.

Re: The Effect of Noise on Sleep

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Low frequency noise is the worst! Probably a stupid question but do you know anyone else that can hear it? I had a low-frequency version of tinnitus and I spent weeks thinking it was some external noise

My mum hears it too, but the local authorities simply claimed they couldn't hear anything during that brief moment. They’d have to stay overnight to really hear and feel it — inside a room, not just in a public space. It even vibrate my eardrum like I'm sitting on an F16 pilot seat. I don't hear it in other districts. I wish there were an expert or researcher interested in these areas: residential buildings, shops, p…

I wish there were an expert or researcher interested in these areas: residential buildings, shops, parks, churches, and schools.

You mean an expert in acoustics related to those areas? There are lots of experts and researchers. Take a look at the Acoustical Society of America, the Institute of Noise Control Engineering, and Council for Accreditation in Occupational Hearing Conservation for starters.

Penn State, University of Hartford, Purdue University, Michigan Technological University, University of Nebraska, Morgan State Univeristy, and Brigham Young University (among others) all have strong acoustics programs with research in a bunch of areas.

Re: The Effect of Noise on Sleep

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Any advice on how to eliminate noisy neighbours that would randomly drop their shit at random intervals in the middle of night and let their child to stomp around every late evening?

Ear plugs! https://acscustom.com/uk/products/other-products/sleep-sound

Unfortunately, ear plugs would not help against low frequency bass noise, which this noise typically is.

Re: The Effect of Noise on Sleep

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I didn't see a link to the paper, so can only assume they were introducing new noises at randomized decibel levels to study participants.

My start-up uses sound to enhance sleep's restorative function. So blankly saying "noise at decibel level x disrupts sleep" is not true.

Over the last 10 years, research has shown that precisely timed micro-auditory stimulations increase slow-wave activity, and accompanying biomarkers of health. There are now more than 50 published peer-reviewed papers regarding this phenomenon. We link to some of these on our website https://affectablesleep.com

Environmental noise is different than precise stimulation based noise, but most of us have an adaptation level to environmental noise.

I remember when I first moved to Chile having dinner with an Argentinian and an Indian, and the Argentinian said the streets in Santiago were so loud it was important to get an apartment on a higher floor. The Indian guy looked around and was like "what noise"? To him, Santiago was a peaceful and quiet environment.

Re: The Effect of Noise on Sleep

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I’ve spent years “fixing” my sleep. Things I recommend: * a sleep tracker. I love AutoSleep - https://apps.apple.com/us/app/autosleep-track-sleep-on-watch... * Any kind of white noise. I use an air purifier at home, and a little pocket size white noise machine when I travel. * find and eliminate any noises in your home. Computers, fridges, squeaky doors, etc. * find and eliminate any lights. Especially stupid power a…

I've also been doing small improvements to my sleep over the years and share some of your recommendations! What's worked best for me have been:

1. Good mattress and pillow (this is a 101 kind of thing).

2. Having the right temperature (same as above).

3. White noise. I also use a white noise machine and the White Noise app on iOS (which I bought for like $1 years ago and still use it). Ironically, I don't use white noise but brown noise, which is slightly more soothing to me.

4. Air purifier, not necessarily for the white noise it produces because it's pretty silent, but because that way I guarantee that I get at least 8 hours of purified air a day.

5. Black out curtains.

6. Eye masks. I actually wear two at once -- the first one to block any lights, the second one to press against my eyelashes, which I find it better for sleeping.

7. Magnesium Glycinate. I've tried different supplements, different forms of magnesium, and even different brands, and the one that I currently use has worked wonders for me. Made me go from being a light sleeper to a medium-heavy sleeper.

Haven't tried earplugs, but I don't really feel the need to. Another thing I tried (but never noticed a real difference) was using a small piece of tape on my lips to avoid opening my mouth.

Re: The Effect of Noise on Sleep

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Any advice on how to eliminate noisy neighbours that would randomly drop their shit at random intervals in the middle of night and let their child to stomp around every late evening?

You know, I work in hospitals all day and people are always stomping around and moving heavy equipment. But you never hear anything coming through the ceiling. Contact your state representative and ask them to do something about the building codes. It's a completely voluntary problem. American buildings are noisy because we decided that was okay.

You assume I'm in US, while I'm not. Not even EU. I know building owner personally and the only factual way is to evict those people. The only problem is that building owner is leasing them an apartment, and you can't evict people basing on household noises, even if they are driving me insane.

Re: The Effect of Noise on Sleep

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post #67

I’ve spent years “fixing” my sleep. Things I recommend: * a sleep tracker. I love AutoSleep - https://apps.apple.com/us/app/autosleep-track-sleep-on-watch... * Any kind of white noise. I use an air purifier at home, and a little pocket size white noise machine when I travel. * find and eliminate any noises in your home. Computers, fridges, squeaky doors, etc. * find and eliminate any lights. Especially stupid power a…

Getting blackout curtains and killing off any stray light from clocks was huge for me.

Sleep eye mask

Re: The Effect of Noise on Sleep

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This isn't the first study on noise and sleep, in fact it's barely scientific compared to the rest of the research. There is no scientific disagreement as to the correlation, it's just "how big" and "what specifically". Compare the downside of "smaller impact than expected" with the cost of delay and it's a no-brainer

> smaller impact than expected Yes, it’s about both effect size and uncertainty. That’s science. But your original post also brought policy into play. Unless you actually know that uncertainty, effect size, and those costs (including opportunity costs), you’re just making stuff up because “it just makes sense so it must be true.” That’s neither good science, nor good policy. Advocating for big policy changes (like ch…

and this is how societal progress slowly crawls to a halt.
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