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The Effect of Noise on Sleep

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Re: The Effect of Noise on Sleep

#71
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So just use some good quality earplugs?

Having ear plugs in for that long feels like an ice pick digging into my skull. Don't know about anyone else.

Probably a size issue. I had earplugs that were too big that start hurting after a while. I’ve since found smaller ones that work perfectly.

Re: The Effect of Noise on Sleep

#72

I find it fascinating that as a society, we allowed automobiles to pass close to homes I'm glad we are finally going to transition to EVs.. about time

Unfortunately even without engine noise people will still install gigantic subwoofers in their car and roll around rattling windows. This has consistently been the biggest problem with my sleep for years, and nothing I've been able to do (including trying to move to different locations) has helped because they are so incredibly loud and prevalent these days.

I bought an apartment next to a cycling path that connects the area to the city centre and that was singlehandedly the biggest mistake of my life, because the path also allows mopeds, which have engines orders of magnitude louder than loudest cars. This is insanity. Thankfully, the city is planning to ban fossil-fuel mopeds within five years. They already started phasing them out, you can't register a new one, only old ones are allowed. These are going to be five very long years though.

Also, it's a mostly black area, which means people hanging out and talking right in front of the apartment building, even though there's a public park five minutes of walk away. When I was searching for an apartment to buy, there was one on tenth floor, and I regret not buying that one, because I'd be shielded from all the noise on the street.

I was fully conviced that I'd be able to stomach living in poorer area and wait for gentrification to happen. I can live with trash on the street. I can live with vandalism. I can live with beggars by the supermarket. I can live with theft and other crime. But the noise. The noise is fucking unbearable.

My dream is to wait until the apartment doubles or triples in value, then sell it, and move to rural shithole where nobody lives.

Re: The Effect of Noise on Sleep

#73
post #22

A couple things: 1) I’d like to see additional measures beyond dB. A 50dB consistent white noise does not bother me (and may even enhance my sleep) but an intermittent off/on sound of the same magnitude has a very different effect 2) what is the accuracy of the consumer metrics compared to medical benchmarks? In other words, how reliable are the sleep measures of consumer devices? Anecdotally, I’ve noticed my watch t…

There is a field dedicated to this called as psychoacoustics. Sound pressure level (SPL) alone won’t work for this experiment like you said. There are other metrics like steady state and transient noise, masking from different frequencies having different effects on humans. It is definitely doable but far more complicated than the tweets seem to make it sound.

Re: The Effect of Noise on Sleep

#74
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes, that would be nice to have. but surely the data we have already would suggest for the benefit of our entire society, especially children (with the link between good sleep and mental development), we should incentivise thicker windows, better sills and other quick wins now

To the point above, we should be careful about making strong conclusions if there is a lot of uncertainty in the underlying data.

On the contrary, we gain more by making faster decisions than we do by being 100% precise

Re: The Effect of Noise on Sleep

#75
I'm using pink noise to suppress my REM phase and get more deep sleep when my body needs extra regeneration at the expense of mental regeneration. Luckily there's none of that random street noise in my neighborhood.

Re: The Effect of Noise on Sleep

#76

I don't know how to state this well but I find the fact that nearly all new apartment buildings in California are only allowed to be built on busy streets very frustrating. I'm guessing it's part nimby-ism and part zoning but every time I see a new apartment complex it's next to the busiest streets in the city (LA, SF). It's like many things, if you want health you must be rich. If you can't afford a house then F.U.…

Streets are much quieter at lower speed limits. There is definitely room for improvement here from the traffic engineers.

Re: The Effect of Noise on Sleep

#77

FYI, there's been tons of research of the effects of noise on sleep from different sources. There have been studies ranging from in-lab experiments, to in-home experiments with artificial and natural sources. If you're interested, some resources: Institute of Noise Control Engineering Digital library: https://www.inceusa.org/publications/ince-digital-library/ (papers older than 10 years old are available free) Federa…

Interesting, perhaps age related deafness contributes.

Re: The Effect of Noise on Sleep

#78

I don't know how to state this well but I find the fact that nearly all new apartment buildings in California are only allowed to be built on busy streets very frustrating. I'm guessing it's part nimby-ism and part zoning but every time I see a new apartment complex it's next to the busiest streets in the city (LA, SF). It's like many things, if you want health you must be rich. If you can't afford a house then F.U.…

That's not a problem with the location. That's a problem with building materials. I've lives on the busiest street in town, with well insulated walls and windows that block out street noise. And I've lived in poorly -constructed suburban houses that admit noise from across the neighborhood.

Re: The Effect of Noise on Sleep

#79

I don't know how to state this well but I find the fact that nearly all new apartment buildings in California are only allowed to be built on busy streets very frustrating. I'm guessing it's part nimby-ism and part zoning but every time I see a new apartment complex it's next to the busiest streets in the city (LA, SF). It's like many things, if you want health you must be rich. If you can't afford a house then F.U.…

Streets are much quieter at lower speed limits. There is definitely room for improvement here from the traffic engineers.

Downtown is very low speed but very noisy.

Re: The Effect of Noise on Sleep

#80

I don't know how to state this well but I find the fact that nearly all new apartment buildings in California are only allowed to be built on busy streets very frustrating. I'm guessing it's part nimby-ism and part zoning but every time I see a new apartment complex it's next to the busiest streets in the city (LA, SF). It's like many things, if you want health you must be rich. If you can't afford a house then F.U.…

> only allowed to be built on busy streets

Is this true or a misleading observation?

I can see some argument about it, increasing traffic in areas that aren't equipped for it if the building is large enough. But it might just be market forces, too: in larger cities, it's often more desirable to be near a major artery. Earplugs (if the noise bothers you) vs a longer commute.

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