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Starcloud can’t put a data centre in space at $8.2M in one Starship

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Re: Starcloud can’t put a data centre in space at $8.2M in one Starship

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Servers outside any legal jurisdiction. Priceless.

Who would be willing to provide connectivity to servers that are exploiting being outside legal jurisdiction for some kind of value?

Dozens upon dozens of illicit shady bulletproof hosting providers.

2026, we will get ransomware from space!

The RaaS groups have hundreds of millions of dollars so in theory they actually could get something like that setup if they wanted.

Re: Starcloud can’t put a data centre in space at $8.2M in one Starship

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Servers outside any legal jurisdiction. Priceless.

Who would be willing to provide connectivity to servers that are exploiting being outside legal jurisdiction for some kind of value?

Anyone with a ground station aimed at the datacenter satellite.

Re: Starcloud can’t put a data centre in space at $8.2M in one Starship

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Servers outside any legal jurisdiction. Priceless.

International space law (starting with the Outer Space Treaty of 1967) says that nations are responsible for all spacecraft they launch, no matter whether the government or a non-governmental group launches them. So a server farm launched by a Danish company is governed by Danish law just the same as if they were on the ground- and exposed to the same ability to put someone into jail if they don't comply with a legal…

nations are responsible for all spacecraft they launch, no matter whether the government or a non-governmental group launches them.

Nations come and go. In my lifetime, the world map has changed dozens of times. Incorporate in a country that doesn't look like it's going to be around very long. More than likely, the people running it will be happy to take your money.

Re: Starcloud can’t put a data centre in space at $8.2M in one Starship

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who would be willing to provide connectivity to servers that are exploiting being outside legal jurisdiction for some kind of value?

Dozens upon dozens of illicit shady bulletproof hosting providers. 2026, we will get ransomware from space! The RaaS groups have hundreds of millions of dollars so in theory they actually could get something like that setup if they wanted.

> 2026, we will get ransomware from space!

Ahem, cloud ransomware.

Re: Starcloud can’t put a data centre in space at $8.2M in one Starship

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Putting a datacenter in space is one of the worst ideas I've heard in a while. Reliable energy? Possible, but difficult -- need plenty of batteries Cooling? Very difficult. Where does the heat transfer to? Latency? Highly variable. Equipment upgrades and maintenance? Impossible. Radiation shielding? Not free. Decommissioning? Potentially dangerous! Orbital maintenance? Gotta install engines on your datacenter and kee…

Re: reliable energy. Even in low earth orbit, isn't sunlight plentiful? My layman's guess says it's in direct sun 80-95% of the time, with deterministic shade.

It's super reliable, provided you've got the stored energy for the reliable periods of downtime (or a sun synchronous orbit). Energy storage is a solved problem, but you need rather a lot of it for a datacentre and that's all mass which is very expensive to launch and to replace at the end of its usable lifetime. Same goes for most of the other problems brought up

Re: Starcloud can’t put a data centre in space at $8.2M in one Starship

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Shooting down a satellite is a major step that creates a mess of space junk, angering everybody. Plus you can just have a couple of politicians from each major power park their money on that satellite.

>Shooting down a satellite is a major step that creates a mess of space junk, angering everybody. unless everybody is angry at satellite in which case it is a price everybody is even eager to pay. >Plus you can just have a couple of politicians from each major power park their money on that satellite. I've long had the idea that there are fashions in corruption and a point at which to be corrupt just becomes too gauc…

By that logic, politicians around the world would make it illegal for themselves to trade stock on their insider knowledge. I'm not holding my breath.

See: https://unusualwhales.com/politics. Some of these politicians on both sides are very good and consistent stock pickers indeed.

Re: Starcloud can’t put a data centre in space at $8.2M in one Starship

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International space law (starting with the Outer Space Treaty of 1967) says that nations are responsible for all spacecraft they launch, no matter whether the government or a non-governmental group launches them. So a server farm launched by a Danish company is governed by Danish law just the same as if they were on the ground- and exposed to the same ability to put someone into jail if they don't comply with a legal…

nations are responsible for all spacecraft they launch, no matter whether the government or a non-governmental group launches them. Nations come and go. In my lifetime, the world map has changed dozens of times. Incorporate in a country that doesn't look like it's going to be around very long. More than likely, the people running it will be happy to take your money.

Generally though, countries don’t disappear: they have a predecessor and a successor.

Re: Starcloud can’t put a data centre in space at $8.2M in one Starship

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International space law (starting with the Outer Space Treaty of 1967) says that nations are responsible for all spacecraft they launch, no matter whether the government or a non-governmental group launches them. So a server farm launched by a Danish company is governed by Danish law just the same as if they were on the ground- and exposed to the same ability to put someone into jail if they don't comply with a legal…

nations are responsible for all spacecraft they launch, no matter whether the government or a non-governmental group launches them. Nations come and go. In my lifetime, the world map has changed dozens of times. Incorporate in a country that doesn't look like it's going to be around very long. More than likely, the people running it will be happy to take your money.

Those kinds of countries don't tend to be the kinds of countries with active space programs.

And more critically - they have successor states.

The Russian Federation is treated as the successor to the USSR in most cases (much to the chagrin of the rest of the CIS) and Serbia is treated as the successor to Yugoslavia (much to the chagrin of the rest)

Re: Starcloud can’t put a data centre in space at $8.2M in one Starship

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post #13

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Re: reliable energy. Even in low earth orbit, isn't sunlight plentiful? My layman's guess says it's in direct sun 80-95% of the time, with deterministic shade.

It's super reliable, provided you've got the stored energy for the reliable periods of downtime (or a sun synchronous orbit). Energy storage is a solved problem, but you need rather a lot of it for a datacentre and that's all mass which is very expensive to launch and to replace at the end of its usable lifetime. Same goes for most of the other problems brought up

Exactly this. It's not that it's a difficult problem, but it is a high mass-budget problem. Which makes it an expensive problem. Which makes it a difficult problem.
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