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#81
So this is the AI gold rush and of course this isn't the first AI language product I've seen of course. No hate to you or your product but I have a question.

If AI succeeds, will we even need language learning? Language learning is notoriously difficult and time-consuming. We're rapidly approaching a future like Star Trek of universal translators.

If so, what is the realistic future for AI language learning products?

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#82
Nice! I’ve wanted this for years.

Suggestion: you may be able to integrate SRS into the conversation. —- you could encourage the model to use certain words, and more importantly you can track the student’s active use of words that are on the review list, basically acting as if it were an SRS step. — this could totally eliminate the need for flashcards.

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#83

>We didn’t want to focus too much on gamification. Thank you so much for this. Duolingo is literally unbearable because it's so gamified. I'll try it out later. I've seen a few of these apps, can I seamlessly go between my native language and the language I'm trying to learn? If I am trying to learn Hindi, can I ask a question in English in the middle of a conversation?

The app is optimized on the whole population, not on individual level. They even publish papers on global optimization.

These kinds of learning apps are destined to become mediocre over time.

The learning metric is so easy to capture, the learning content so easy to produce, yet no one has an individualized loop to make learning work well.

For example, I'd press "Training" on Duolingo, and would get nowhere. Same lessons all of the time. Bread and water.

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#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the feedback. Yeah we need to improve the beginner experience, it's more tailored towards intermediate/advanced students at the moment.

Why wouldn't intermediate/advanced students just talk directly to ChatGPT? From what I see, I thought your value prop was for the beginners.

ISSEN is designed from the ground up for this use case.

* curriculum, completely customizable, with grammar, roleplay, topics, speaking speech, transcript, dictionary, corrections, etc

* prompting and AI models all chosen to be a better fit for multilingual, easy to understand, etc.

* the tutor actively tries to teach you, it's not an assistant

* integrated flashcards that go hand in hand with the speaking immersion

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#86
post #72

It would probably be better to pick one or two languages, actually work with native speakers to make sure it's right. These "we cover every single language" tools get it like 75% right at best.

I disagree because of how AI is progressing and because there's tons of neglected language markets they can pick up. Obviously your approach can work too, perhaps better. But 95% of language learning tools don't support Thai (my target language) for example so I am an eager user for that reason alone. I think they'll be able to make a generalized curriculum and have the AI use it in all languages.

Would you rather have a tool that teaches you accurate conversational Spanish ?

Or something that tries to teach 60 languages but does so poorly ?

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#87
I want to build some AI tutors at home to help my kids with some of their school subjects and interests. I help them with subjects I know, but for other subjects I often do not have enough background. What are you best tips/ideas/design patterns you learned when making this app?

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#88
post #82

Nice! I’ve wanted this for years. Suggestion: you may be able to integrate SRS into the conversation. —- you could encourage the model to use certain words, and more importantly you can track the student’s active use of words that are on the review list, basically acting as if it were an SRS step. — this could totally eliminate the need for flashcards.

Yeah this is a really great idea, perhaps you can sample tokens based on some kind of SRS and I+1 sentence system. Kind of like a graded reader but for speaking. Will definitely look into this in the future

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#89
post #79

I built a basic version of this for myself with a prompt in chat gpt in an afternoon. It's great that you've built this yourself, but where's the magic? If it's your prompt it can probably be extracted in a few minutes by those who know how to do so.

Why not finish, publish it to the store and get income if it was that straightforward? There's a long way to go between a toy application to demonstrate a product, and something on shelves actually selling. In other words, you can most often quickly tackle the concept or trivial parts of an app, but it's much harder to get a real product out, even if the implementation looks straightforward on surface.

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#90
post #69

I tried the app. I love that you’re tackling this and I’m rooting for you. I’ll tell you about myself, my experience, and my thoughts. I’m currently learning French as a beginner and I’ve learned other languages in the past. I’ve trued Duolingo as well as italki and frantasic as well as just ChatGPT. I am very familiar with Anki and I think it’s critical to make your own flashcards by choosing images and sounds. I do…

Have have you found to be the most helpful services/resources when learning French? I'm starting this journey
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