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A new pyramid-like shape always lands the same side up

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Re: A new pyramid-like shape always lands the same side up

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It sounds as though you're talking about the solution to part (b) as given in that reference. Have a look at the solution to part (a) by Michael Goldberg, which I think does prove that a homogeneous tetrahedron must rest stably on at least two of its faces. The proof is short enough to post here in its entirety: > A tetrahedron is always stable when resting on the face nearest to the center of gravity (C.G.) since it…

Ah, I see. I saw that but disregarded it because if it's meant be an actual proof and not just a back of the envelope argument, it seems to be missing a few steps. On the face of it, the blanket assertion that at least two faces must be stable is clearly contradicted by these current results. To be valid, Goldberg would needed at least to have established that his argument was applicable to all tetrahedra of uniform…

That's very interesting! I agree Goldberg's proof is not very persuasive. I hope Auburn university will fix their electronic dissertation library.

There's a 1985 paper by Robert Dawson, _Monostatic simplexes_ (The American Mathematical Monthly, Vol. 92, No. 8 (Oct., 1985), pp. 541-546) which opens with a more convincing proof, which it attributes to John H. Conway:

> Obviously, a simplex cannot tip about an edge unless the dihedral angle at that edge is obtuse. As the altitude, and hence the height of the barycenter, is inversely proportional to the area of the base for any given tetrahedron, a tetrahedron can only tip from a smaller face to a larger one.

Suppose some tetrahedron to be monostatic, and let A and B be the largest and second-largest faces respectively. Either the tetrahedron rolls from another face, C, onto B and thence onto A, or else it rolls from B to A and also from C to A. In either case, one of the two largest faces has two obtuse dihedral angles, and one of them is on an edge shared with the other of the two largest faces.

The projection of the remaining face, D, onto the face with two obtuse dihedral angles must be as large as the sum of the projections of the other three faces. But this makes the area of D larger than that of the face we are projecting onto, contradicting our assumption that A and B are the two largest faces

Re: A new pyramid-like shape always lands the same side up

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A sphere is bad, it rolls away. The shape from the article would be better, but it is too hard to manufacture. And weighting is cheating anyway. The best option for a D1 is probably the gömböc, which is mentioned in the article.

Technically, a gomboc is a D1.00…001.

Any normal die could also land on an edge.

Re: A new pyramid-like shape always lands the same side up

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A solid tall cone is quite similar to what you want. I guess it can be tweaked to get a polyhedra.

So a cone sitting on its circular base is maximally stable, what position do you put the cone into that is both stable, and if it gets disturbed, even slightly, it reverts to sitting on its base?

I think you’re overthinking it. The tamper mechanism being proposed is just a thin straight stick standing on its end. Disturb it, it falls over.

Re: A new pyramid-like shape always lands the same side up

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> This tetrahedron, which is mostly hollow and has a carefully calibrated center of mass Uniform density isn't an issue for rigid bodies. If you make sure the center of mass is in the same place, it will behave the same way.

If the constraints are that an object has to be of uniform density, convex, and not containing any voids, then you cannot choose where its centre of mass will be, other than by changing it shape.

That isn't true.

Look at the pictures. It has the same outer shape, that is all that is required for the geometry.

And for center of mass, you set the positions for the bars, any variations in their thickness, then size and place the flat facet, in order to achieve the same center of mass as for a filled uniform density object of the same geometry.

As the article says:

> carefully calibrated center of mass

Unless an object has internal interactions, for purposes of center of mass you can achieve the uniform-density-equivalent any way you want. It won't change the behavior.

Re: A new pyramid-like shape always lands the same side up

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I think it is a very underestimated aspect of how "simple" inventions came out so late. An interesting one is the bicycle. The bicycle we all know (safety bicycle) is deceivingly advanced technology, with pneumatic tires, metal tube frame, chain and sprocket, etc... there is no way it could have been done much earlier. It needs precision manufacturing as well as strong and lightweight materials for such a "simple" id…

To support your point, and pre-empt some obvious objections: - I've ridden a bike with a bamboo frame - it worked fine, but I don't think it was very durable. - I've seen a video of a belt- (rather than chain-) driven bike - the builder did not recommend. You maybe get there a couple of decades sooner with a bamboo penny-farthing, but whatever you build relies on smooth roads and light-weight wheels. You don't get al…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chukudu

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-africa-41806781

Re: A new pyramid-like shape always lands the same side up

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Great article!

The excitement kind of ebbed early on with seeing the video and realizing it had a plate/weight on one face.

"A few years later, the duo answered their own question, showing that this uniform monostable tetrahedron wasn’t possible. But what if you were allowed to distribute its weight unevenly?"

But the article progressed and mentioned John Conway, I was back!

Re: A new pyramid-like shape always lands the same side up

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Worst D-4 ever! But more seriously, I wonder how closely you could get to an non-uniform mass polyhedra which had 'knife edge' type balance. Which is to say; 1) Construct a polyhedra with uneven weight distribution which is stable on exactly two faces. 2) Make one of those faces much more stable than the other, so if it is on the limited stability face and disturbed, it will switch to the high stability face. A struc…

  >useful as a tamper detector
If anyone's actually looking for this, check out tilt and shock indicators made for fragile packages.

https://www.uline.com/Cls_10/Damage-Indicators

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9hHHt-S9kY

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