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80-90% of Claude is now written by Claude
And whose lunch is it eating?
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Define policy forbidding use of AI code generators
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Re: Define policy forbidding use of AI code generators
#182Open source and libre/free software are particularly vulnerable to a future where AI-generated code is ruled to be either infringing or public domain. In the former case, disentangling AI-edits from human edits could tie a project up in legal proceedings for years and projects don't have any funding to fight a copyright suit. Specifically, code that is AI-generated and subsequently modified or incorporated in the res…
I understand what experienced developers don't want random AI contributions from no-knowledge "developers" contributing to a project. In any situation, if a human is review AI code line by line that would tie up humans for years, even ignoring anything legally. #1 There will be no verifiable way to prove something was AI generated beyond early models. #2 Software projects that somehow are 100% human developed will no…
None of your claims here are based in factual assertion. These are unproven, wishful fantasies that may or may not be eventually true.
No one should be evaluating or writing policy based on fantasy.
Re: Define policy forbidding use of AI code generators
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Can you show these 3 things to us?
Not OP, but: I'm getting towards the end of a vibe coded ZFS storage backend to ganeti that includes the ability to live migrate VMs to another host by: taking snapshot and replicating it to target, pausing VM, taking another incremental snapshot and replicating it, and then unpausing the VM on the new destination machine. https://github.com/linsomniac/ganeti/tree/newzfs Other LLM tools I've built this week: This aft…
Re: Define policy forbidding use of AI code generators
#184Open source and libre/free software are particularly vulnerable to a future where AI-generated code is ruled to be either infringing or public domain. In the former case, disentangling AI-edits from human edits could tie a project up in legal proceedings for years and projects don't have any funding to fight a copyright suit. Specifically, code that is AI-generated and subsequently modified or incorporated in the res…
I understand what experienced developers don't want random AI contributions from no-knowledge "developers" contributing to a project. In any situation, if a human is review AI code line by line that would tie up humans for years, even ignoring anything legally. #1 There will be no verifiable way to prove something was AI generated beyond early models. #2 Software projects that somehow are 100% human developed will no…
> Software projects that somehow are 100% human developed will not be competitive with AI assisted or written projects.
There is zero evidence so far that AI improves software developer efficiency.
No, just because you had fun vibing with a chatbot doesn't mean you delivered the end product faster. All of the supposed AI software development gains are entirely self-reported based on "vibes". (Remember these are the same people who claimed massive developer efficiency gains from programming in Haskell or Lisp a few years back.)
Note I'm not even touching on the tech debt issue here, but it is also important.
P.S. The hallucination and counting to five problems will never go away. They are intrinsic to the LLM approach.
Re: Define policy forbidding use of AI code generators
#185Re: Define policy forbidding use of AI code generators
#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not OP, but: I'm getting towards the end of a vibe coded ZFS storage backend to ganeti that includes the ability to live migrate VMs to another host by: taking snapshot and replicating it to target, pausing VM, taking another incremental snapshot and replicating it, and then unpausing the VM on the new destination machine. https://github.com/linsomniac/ganeti/tree/newzfs Other LLM tools I've built this week: This aft…
Looks like two commits: https://github.com/linsomniac/ganeti/commit/e91766bfb42c67ab... https://github.com/linsomniac/ganeti/commit/f52f6d689c242e3e...
Thanks, I hadn't pushed from my test cluster, check again. "This branch is 12 commits ahead of, 4 commits behind ganeti/ganeti:master"
Re: Define policy forbidding use of AI code generators
#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
I understand what experienced developers don't want random AI contributions from no-knowledge "developers" contributing to a project. In any situation, if a human is review AI code line by line that would tie up humans for years, even ignoring anything legally. #1 There will be no verifiable way to prove something was AI generated beyond early models. #2 Software projects that somehow are 100% human developed will no…
I feel like this is mostly proofless assertion. I'm aware what you hint at is happening, but the conclusions you arrive at are far from proven or even reasonable at this stage. For what it's worth, I think AI for code will arrive at a place like how other coding tools sit – hinting, intellisense, linting, maybe even static or dynamic analysis, but I doubt NOT using AI will be a critical asset to productivity. Someone…
IMO LLMs are best when used as locally-run offline search engines. This is a clear and obvious disruptive technology.
But we will need to get a lot better at finetuning first. People don't want generalist LLMs, they want "expert systems".
Re: Define policy forbidding use of AI code generators
#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the authors vibe out while playing guitar and clipping their toenails I don't think anyone is claiming that. If you submit changes to a FOSS project and an LLM assisted you in writing them how would anyone know? Assuming at least that you are an otherwise competent developer and that you carefully review all code before you commit it. The (admittedly still controversial) claim being made is that developers with LLM…
Why would you need to carefully review code? That is so 2024. You’re bottlenecking the process and are at a disadvantage when the AI could be working 24/7. We have AI agents that have been trained to review thousands of PRs that are produced by other, generative agents, and together they have already churned out much more software than human teams can write in a year. AI “assistance” is a short intermediate phase, li…
> We have AI agents that have been trained to review thousands of PRs that are produced by other, generative agents, and together they have already churned out much more software than human teams can write in a year.
Was your comment tongue-in-cheek? If not, where is this huge mass of AI-generated software?
Re: Define policy forbidding use of AI code generators
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
> #2 Software projects that somehow are 100% human developed will not be competitive with AI assisted or written projects Still waiting to see evidence of AI-driven projects eating the lunch of "traditional" projects.
It's happening slowly all around. It's not obvious because people producing high quality stuff have no incentive at all to mark their changes as AI-generated. But there are also local tools generated faster than you could adjust existing tools to do what you want. I'm running 3 things now just for myself that I generated from scratch instead of trying to send feature requests to existing apps I can buy. It's only goi…
> It's not obvious because people producing high quality stuff have no incentive at all to mark their changes as AI-generated
I feel like we'd be hearing from business that crushed their competition by delivering faster or with fewer people. Where are those businesses?
> But there are also local tools generated
This is really not the same thing as the original claim ("Software projects that somehow are 100% human developed will not be competitive with AI assisted or written projects").
Re: Define policy forbidding use of AI code generators
#190Signed by mostly people at RedHat, which is owned by IBM, which makes Watson, which beat humans in Jeopardy in 2011.
> These are early days of AI-assisted software development.
Are they? Or is this just IBM destroying another acquisition slowly.
Meanwhile the Dotnet Runtime is fully embracing AI. Which people on the outside may laugh at but you have extremely talented engineers like Stephen Toub and David Fowler advocating for it.
So enterprises: next time you have an IBM rep trying to sell you AI services, do yourself a favor and go to any other number of companies out there who are actually serious about helping you build for the future.
And since I am a North Carolina native, here’s to hoping IBM and RedHat get their stuff together.