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Re: Gemini CLI

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Post by cma »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #408
FL410 wrote: post #352

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To be honest this is by far the most frustrating part of the Gemini ecosystem, to me. I think 2.5 pro is probably the best model out there right now, and I'd love to use it for real work, but their privacy policies are so fucking confusing and disjointed that I just assume there is no privacy whatsoever. And that's with the expensive Pro Plus Ultra MegaMax Extreme Gold plan I'm on. I hope this is something they're wo…

For coding in my experience Claude Sonnet/Opus 4.0 is hands down better than Gemini 2.5. pro. I just end up fighting with Claude a lot less than I do with Gemini. I had Gemini start a project that involved creating a recursive descent parser for a language in C. It was full of segfaults. I'd ask Gemini to fix them and it would end up breaking something else and then we'd get into a loop. Finally I had Claude Sonnet 4…

Did you try Gemini with a fresh prompt too when comparing against Claude? Sometimes you just get better results starting over with any leading model, even if it gets access to the old broken code to fix.

I haven't tried Gemini since the latest updates, but earlier ones seemed on par with opus.

Re: Gemini CLI

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Post by dzhiurgis »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #114
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #85

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Anthropic is the same. Unless it has changed within the last few months, you can subscribe to Claude but if you want to use Claude Code it'll come out of your "API usage" bucket which is billed separately than the subscription. Some jerk has learned that we prefer CLI things and has come to the conclusion that we should therefore pay extra for them. Workaround is to use their GUI with some MCPs but I dislike it becau…

I think it is pretty clear that these $20/subs are loss leaders, and really only meant to get regular people to really start leaning on LLMs. Once they are hooked, we will see what the actual price of using so much compute is. I would imagine right now they are pricing their APIs either at cost or slightly below.

Sam Altman said they use about same amount of power as an oven. So at $0.2/kWh thats about 100kWh/4kW=25 hours of compute or a little over an hour every workday.

Re: Gemini CLI

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Post by andrepd »

mattzito wrote: post #266
ipsum2 wrote: post #243

If you use this, all of your code data will be sent to Google. From their terms: https://developers.google.com/gemini-code-assist/resources/p... When you use Gemini Code Assist for individuals, Google collects your prompts, related code, generated output, code edits, related feature usage information, and your feedback to provide, improve, and develop Google products and services and machine learning technologies. To…

It's a lot more nuanced than that. If you use the free edition of Code Assist, your data can be used UNLESS you opt out, which is at the bottom of the support article you link to: "If you don't want this data used to improve Google's machine learning models, you can opt out by following the steps in Set up Gemini Code Assist for individuals." and then the link: https://developers.google.com/gemini-code-assist/docs/se…

Yes, I'm right about to trust Google to do what they pinky swear.

EDIT: Lmao, case in point, two sibling comments pointing out that Google does indeed do this anyway via some loophole; also they can just retain the data and change the policy unilaterally in the future.

If you want privacy do it local with Free software.

Re: Gemini CLI

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Post by fhinkel »

ipsum2 wrote: post #277
mattzito wrote: post #266

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It's a lot more nuanced than that. If you use the free edition of Code Assist, your data can be used UNLESS you opt out, which is at the bottom of the support article you link to: "If you don't want this data used to improve Google's machine learning models, you can opt out by following the steps in Set up Gemini Code Assist for individuals." and then the link: https://developers.google.com/gemini-code-assist/docs/se…

Sorry, that's not correct. Did you check out the link? It doesn't describe the CLI, only the IDE. "You can find the Gemini Code Assist for individuals privacy notice and settings in two ways: - VS Code - IntelliJ "

Sorry our docs were confusing! We tried to clear things up: https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/blob/main/docs/t...

Re: Gemini CLI

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Post by fhinkel »

ipsum2 wrote: post #394
mattzito wrote: post #360

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That's because it's a bit of a nesting doll situation. As you can see here: https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/tree/main If you scroll to the bottom, it says that the terms of service are governed based on the mechanism by which you access Gemini. If you access via code assist (which the OP posted), you abide by those privacy terms of code assist, one of the ways of which you access is VScode. If you access…

My understanding is that they have not implemented an opt-out feature for Gemini CLI, like they've done for VSCode and Jetbrains.

We have! Sorry our docs were confusing! We tried to clear things up https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/blob/main/docs/t...

Re: Gemini CLI

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Post by fhinkel »

tiahura wrote: post #371
mattzito wrote: post #363

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I am very much not a lawyer, and while I work for Google, I do not work on this, and this is just my plain language reading of the docs. When you look at the github repo for the gemini CLI: https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/tree/main At the bottom it specifies that the terms of service are dependent on the underlying mechanism that the user chooses to use to fulfill the requests. You can use code assist, ge…

Thanks for trying to clarify. However, as others pointed out, that link take you to here: https://developers.google.com/gemini-code-assist/resources/p... Which, at the bottom says: "If you don't want this data used to improve Google's machine learning models, you can opt out by following the steps in Set up Gemini Code Assist for individuals." and links to https://developers.google.com/gemini-code-assist/docs/set-up.…

It applies to Gemini CLI too. We've tried to clear up our docs, apologies for the confusion. https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/blob/main/docs/t...

Re: Gemini CLI

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Post by sheepscreek »

foob wrote: post #334
mattzito wrote: post #266

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It's a lot more nuanced than that. If you use the free edition of Code Assist, your data can be used UNLESS you opt out, which is at the bottom of the support article you link to: "If you don't want this data used to improve Google's machine learning models, you can opt out by following the steps in Set up Gemini Code Assist for individuals." and then the link: https://developers.google.com/gemini-code-assist/docs/se…

your data can be used UNLESS you opt out It's even more nuanced than that. Google recently testified in court that they still train on user data after users opt out from training [1]. The loophole is that the opt-out only applies to one organization within Google, but other organizations are still free to train on the data. They may or may not have cleaned up their act given that they're under active investigation, b…

Reading about all the nuances is such a trigger for me. To cover your ass is one thing, to imply one thing in a lay sense and go on to do something contradicting it (in bad faith) is douchebaggery. I am very sad and deeply disappointed at Google for this. This completes their transformation to Evil Corp after repealing the “don’t be evil” clause in their code of conduct[1].

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don't_be_evil

Re: Gemini CLI

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Post by WaltPurvis »

logicchains wrote: post #262

That's giving a lot away for free! When I was using Gemini 2.5 Pro intensively for automated work and regularly hitting the 1000 requests per day limit, it could easily cost $50+ per day with a large context. I imagine after a couple months they'll probably limit the free offering to a cheaper model.

They said in the announcement that these high usage limits are only while it's in the preview stage, so they may (or may not) be reduced later. I think (it's not clear, at least to me) that the CLI may be using cheaper models already, at times. It says if you want the freedom to choose your model for every request, you can buy one of the paid subscriptions. I interpret that to mean that some of your requests may go to Gemini 2.5 Pro, but not all of them, and it decides. Am I extremely wrong about that?

Re: Gemini CLI

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Post by fhinkel »

ipsum2 wrote: post #391
fhinkel wrote: post #322

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Thanks for pointing that out, we're working on clarifying!

When should we expect to see an update? I assume there'll be meetings with lawyers for the clarification.

Yes, there were meetings and lawyers. We just merged the update. Hopefully it's much clearer now: https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/blob/main/docs/t...

Re: Gemini CLI

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Post by fhinkel »

fhinkel wrote: post #351
mil22 wrote: post #278

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They really need to provide some clarity on the terms around data retention and training, for users who access Gemini CLI free via sign-in to a personal Google account. It's not clear whether the Gemini Code Assist terms are relevant, or indeed which of the three sets of terms they link at the bottom of the README.md apply here.

Agree! We're working on it!

Hope this is helpful, just merged: https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/blob/main/docs/t...
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