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Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by RemainsOfTheDay »

rhcom2 wrote: post #259
Disposal8433 wrote: post #29

Going to the USA as a tourist might be the most stupid action that one can make at this time. Unless you have a dying mother or father, there is absolutely no reason to visit this country. It reminds me of the tourists that used to go to North Korea for fun some years ago, it never was a good idea.

This is chilling to more than just tourists. I have friends who are Mexican nationals who now have to consider any meme on their phone before their way back to the States after visiting home.

Because they are not American nationals.

My last border crossing, a few days ago: "What was the purpose of your travel? ... What are you bringing back with you? ... Welcome home." Took one minute.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by RemainsOfTheDay »

jjkaczor wrote: post #296
izolate wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're exaggerating the significance of Canadians in US tourism statistics. NY and MA have larger populations than ON and QC, Canada's two largest provinces. Therefore, even "loads" is a relatively small number.

Then why are all the border states, towns and cities (and their elected representatives) begging Canadian tourists to come back, with endless advertisements, appeals to our historic friendship, temporarily re-naming streets ("Canada Street", really? Can't wait for the photo-op of an ICE raid happening there) and even silly incentives (like a 3-pack of free golf balls in one case)...? Yeah, good luck downplaying the 1…

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Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by RemainsOfTheDay »

ordinaryradical wrote: post #83
EA-3167 wrote: post #57

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In 2023, when tourism rates had yet to fully recover from Covid, over 66 million people visited the US from abroad. I don't have more recent statistics, but I'm going to assume that the number is the same or higher this year. Out of that population which could fill a decent-sized country, how many people have been treated so unfairly as the one in this article? How do those stats compare with other countries, and the…

Sure, but if they’re detaining people because the officers are personal fans of JD Vance those ICE officers need to be fired. Like now. It’s unacceptable whether it’s 1 in a million or 1 in 10. The numbers are not a principle.

They are not detaining them. They are refusing them entry, housing them and sending them back. Every country has the right to choose who they admit.

And we don't really whether the JD Vance meme wasn't just the frosting on the cake. All we have is the tourist's word.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by knorker »

account42 wrote: post #521
knorker wrote: post #143

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Then why was his ESTA approved?

Your ESTA approval clearly states that it does not grant you a right to enter the US and that the final decision will only be made at the border. So he was likely flagged but still may have had a chance to enter depending on the outcome of the border interrogation.

Yeah, but my point was as a reply to the claim that it was clearly something else that denied him entry.

Which it could still be. ESTA was granted because it was a "maybe". Then they found something at the border that was not in meme form, that the article doesn't mention.

Maybe he had no pre booked return ticket, was claiming to stay with a friend he didn't have the address of, and then the meme was the last (albeit tiny) straw.

My experience with CBP is that if you answer "wrong" (including saying that you only have the hotel name on your phone, which you are not allowed to check at the desk), then you need something "right", like a business card, to dig yourself out.

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Post by RemainsOfTheDay »

guappa wrote: post #406
keybored wrote: post #207

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> I don't have more recent statistics, but I'm going to assume that the number is the same or higher this year. Why would you? > Out of that population which could fill a decent-sized country, how many people have been treated so unfairly as the one in this article? How do those stats compare with other countries, and the inevitable abuses that occur in any vast bureaucracy? Most people have an opinion about the US.…

I'm quite sure that turkish police doesn't have time to waste checking the social accounts of people.

ROTFL.

I'm quite sure that's their main job, finding out who are the adversaries of the regime.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by whamlastxmas »

I don’t understand why progressive people who are against body shaming and judging people by appearances suddenly don’t give a shit about their values at all the second it’s a human they don’t like. Don’t get me wrong, Trump et all fucking suck, but it doesn’t excuse things like fat shaming

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by msgodel »

queenkjuul wrote: post #536
msgodel wrote: post #509

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It's probably not a good idea to have people on visas attending protests. Keep in mind I'm very much not pro Isreal, but it's not practical or moral to have foreign partisans participating in our politics that way.

Why would someone on a visa deserve to be denied freedom of assembly?

Sorry. No. The idea that you have a right of assembly in a foreign country is completely absurd. I don't know which line of thinking convinced you otherwise but any country that actually chooses to allow that can't exist for very long.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by throwawayq3423 »

account42 wrote: post #525
throwawayq3423 wrote: post #468

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So what circumstances are needed for you to believe something actually happened, besides several examples of the exact same behavior from the administration ?

One example where you don't find out that yes there was actually more to the story would be a start. This isn't such an example: CPD says he admitted to previously using drugs in the US which is a federal crime.

The multiple examples of legal residents being detained for their Pro-palestinian activism?

So the Norwegian's account can't be trusted but the CPD's can? Why?

Also most drugs are not federal crimes and it sounds like he wasn't arrested for it, so there's no record and therefore no reason to prevent lawful entry.

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Post by IncreasePosts »

throwawayq3423 wrote: post #548
account42 wrote: post #525

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One example where you don't find out that yes there was actually more to the story would be a start. This isn't such an example: CPD says he admitted to previously using drugs in the US which is a federal crime.

The multiple examples of legal residents being detained for their Pro-palestinian activism? So the Norwegian's account can't be trusted but the CPD's can? Why? Also most drugs are not federal crimes and it sounds like he wasn't arrested for it, so there's no record and therefore no reason to prevent lawful entry.

Let's ask the Norwegian if there was in fact a picture of his drug paraphernalia on his phone. That should help us resolve the issue. If there was that picture, it would be totally weird that he only mentioned his JD Vance meme and not the drug picture

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Post by throwawayq3423 »

throwawayq3423 wrote: post #548
account42 wrote: post #525

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One example where you don't find out that yes there was actually more to the story would be a start. This isn't such an example: CPD says he admitted to previously using drugs in the US which is a federal crime.

The multiple examples of legal residents being detained for their Pro-palestinian activism? So the Norwegian's account can't be trusted but the CPD's can? Why? Also most drugs are not federal crimes and it sounds like he wasn't arrested for it, so there's no record and therefore no reason to prevent lawful entry.

Another example:

> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14842359/Norwegian-...

> It comes after an Australian writer claimed he was turned away from the US border after being grilled on his views on the Gaza conflict and articles he wrote about pro-Palestinian protests.

> Alistair Kitchen, 33, boarded a flight from Melbourne to New York to visit friends on June 12 when he was pulled to one side by a Customs and Border Protection officer during a layover in Los Angeles.

> He was detained for 12 hours at Los Angeles International Airport before being put on a flight back to Melbourne.

> Mr Kitchen claimed a customs officer told him he was being detained because of his views on the pro-Palestinian rallies that took place on campus at the New York university last year.

> 'I was interrogated about my beliefs on the crisis in Gaza. I told him what I believe: that the war is a tragedy in which all parties have blood on their hands, but which can and must come to an immediate end,' he wrote in The Sydney Morning Herald.

Was this drugs too? Or maybe he did something else DHS can blame instead of owning their behavior?

So again, how many times does this government have to police thought before you admit that is what they are doing, and how does that not directly conflict with your free speech ideology?

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