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Re: Microsoft Edit

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Post by LionEgo »

masfoobar wrote: post #146

About a month ago I heard Microsoft had their own Linux distribution to help Microsoft Windows users feel more at home. From memory, it was a rather simple GNOME setup. Nothing special. I am surprised Micrsooft didnt use the opportunity to create a micrsoft specific Linux distro that replaces bash with powershell, or Edit with vim, nano and other choices as well as .NET and Visual Studio Code by developer installs. M…

The reason why WSL is a thing is because developers in corps needed a way to run Linux. IT support and techs doesn't know anything about Linux typically and don't want to deal with supporting it. WSL fixes this problem.

Most developers don't want to use Linux at all. Many developers don't even really know how to user a terminal and rely on GUI tools.

Re: Microsoft Edit

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Post by ByteDrifter »

wenc wrote: post #63
electroly wrote: post #56

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Every time I see a new modern TUI framework, my disappointment is the same: "Oh. This isn't as good as Turbo Vision."

Turbo Vision was truly immersive. I used it in Turbo C and also in Paradox 4.5. So good.

Funny how something that ran in a tiny box on a 386 could feel more responsive than some modern GUIs. Turbo Vision really nailed the basics.

Re: Microsoft Edit

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Post by 8-prime »

LionEgo wrote: post #181
masfoobar wrote: post #146

About a month ago I heard Microsoft had their own Linux distribution to help Microsoft Windows users feel more at home. From memory, it was a rather simple GNOME setup. Nothing special. I am surprised Micrsooft didnt use the opportunity to create a micrsoft specific Linux distro that replaces bash with powershell, or Edit with vim, nano and other choices as well as .NET and Visual Studio Code by developer installs. M…

The reason why WSL is a thing is because developers in corps needed a way to run Linux. IT support and techs doesn't know anything about Linux typically and don't want to deal with supporting it. WSL fixes this problem. Most developers don't want to use Linux at all. Many developers don't even really know how to user a terminal and rely on GUI tools.

> Most developers don't want to use Linux at all. I don't know if this is necessarily true. Many of the develops I know prefer GUI applications to cli tooling, which I can get behind. That has nothing to do with Linux vs Windows though. But my struggles with Windows are plentiful and the same goes for all my colleagues. I have a hard time believing that we are the outliers and not the rule.

Re: Microsoft Edit

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Post by gunsle »

martinald wrote: post #176
masfoobar wrote: post #146

About a month ago I heard Microsoft had their own Linux distribution to help Microsoft Windows users feel more at home. From memory, it was a rather simple GNOME setup. Nothing special. I am surprised Micrsooft didnt use the opportunity to create a micrsoft specific Linux distro that replaces bash with powershell, or Edit with vim, nano and other choices as well as .NET and Visual Studio Code by developer installs. M…

I strongly suspect in time Microsoft will move to Linux, at least with things like Windows Server and embedded Windows. Then a gradual change for Windows desktop, or a sort of Windows Legacy vs Windows "Linux Workstation" desktop options. Linux kernel + some sort of 'super' WINE and a fallback tightly integrated Windows classic on a VM for certain programs. Only problem is that the NT kernel in many ways is much bett…

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Re: Microsoft Edit

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Post by _verandaguy »

0points wrote: post #120
_verandaguy wrote: post #14

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Is... this a meaningful benchmark? Who's editing files big enough to benefit from 120GBps throughput in any meaningful way on the regular using an interactive editor rather than just pushing it through a script/tool/throwing it into ETL depending on the size and nature of the data?

For a text editor, yes, absolutely. As developers, we rotinely need to work with large data sets, may it be gigabytes of logs, csv data, sql dump or what have you. Not being able to open and edit those files means you cant do your job.

I work exclusively outside of the windows ecosystem, so my usual go to would be to pipe this through some filtering tools in the CLI long before I crack them open with an editor.

Re: Microsoft Edit

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Post by philistine »

8-prime wrote: post #183
LionEgo wrote: post #181

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The reason why WSL is a thing is because developers in corps needed a way to run Linux. IT support and techs doesn't know anything about Linux typically and don't want to deal with supporting it. WSL fixes this problem. Most developers don't want to use Linux at all. Many developers don't even really know how to user a terminal and rely on GUI tools.

> Most developers don't want to use Linux at all. I don't know if this is necessarily true. Many of the develops I know prefer GUI applications to cli tooling, which I can get behind. That has nothing to do with Linux vs Windows though. But my struggles with Windows are plentiful and the same goes for all my colleagues. I have a hard time believing that we are the outliers and not the rule.

> Most developers don't want to use Linux at all.

(looks at the install numbers for Linux vs Windows in the server space) I'm not so sure.

Re: Microsoft Edit

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Post by OptionOfT »

wasimanitoba wrote: post #117

Meanwhile, they forced AI Copilot bloat into Notepad, whose singular use-case was supposed to be that it does one thing well without unnecessary features.

And if you uninstall the modern notepad, start's search doesn't find the old one.

Re: Microsoft Edit

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Post by simplyinfinity »

CineSnaccs wrote: post #140
pjmlp wrote: post #135

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Unfortunately, the new Edit isn't safe from such decisions. While Satya might have made the change Microsoft Now we have a schizophrenia of Web and Desktop frameworks, and themselves hardly use them, what used to be a comfortable VS wizard, or plugin, now is e.g. a CLI tool that dumps an Excel file, showing that newer blood has hardly any Windows development culture, or their upper management.

I don't know how many people don't know this, but now you actually can't release app on Windows without it showing your warning while installing unless you sign it with EV certificates, which cost upwards of 500$ for a year. As you may have guessed, this simply pushes out smaller devs. This used to NOT be like this. It should NOT be like this.

Good. This might suck for opensource devs, but for normies that might get a random exe link this is good. I've gotten numerous phone calls from relatives when they try to run some unrecognized app, most of the time is benign, but on few occasions it was something malicious.

Re: Microsoft Edit

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Post by Timwi »

shortrounddev2 wrote: post #171
pjmlp wrote: post #135

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Unfortunately, the new Edit isn't safe from such decisions. While Satya might have made the change Microsoft Now we have a schizophrenia of Web and Desktop frameworks, and themselves hardly use them, what used to be a comfortable VS wizard, or plugin, now is e.g. a CLI tool that dumps an Excel file, showing that newer blood has hardly any Windows development culture, or their upper management.

There are currently no ideal native app development frameworks on Windows. WinForms is the closest thing

I'm so glad to hear that from someone unprompted. I tried WPF and it was a million times harder to use than WinForms, and I couldn't even be bothered to try out MAUI (although I accept it as an apology for WPF lol). I'm still using a WinForms application every day (Git Extensions) and have been able to contribute to it not least because it's the good old familiar WinForms.

This is not to say that WinForms isn't without its problems. I often wonder what it could be like if all the effort of making WPF and MAUI had gone into maintaining, modernizing and improving it.

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