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Re: Microsoft Edit

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Post by sublimefire »

pulkitsh1234 wrote: post #88

Geniunely curious, how projects like these get approved in an org at the scale of Microsoft? Is this like a side project by some devs or part of some product roadmap? How did they convince the leadership to spend time on this?

Each group needs to do something and they come up with the ideas. Sometimes it is driven by various leaders, e.g. “use copilot”. Sometimes it is an idea from some hackerdayz event which gets expanded. Sometimes this is driven in research units where you have a bunch of technical people twiddling their thumbs. Sometimes this is an idea that goes through deep analysis and multiple semesters before it gets funding.

Look at the amount of contributors here. This project was probably some strategic investment. It did not come to existence overnight.

Re: Microsoft Edit

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Post by velcrovan »

esafak wrote: post #55
jksmith wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was the toolchain that my company used. Turbo vision was a Borland product, back when Philippe Khan was running the company. We were that ahead of the curve for "shrinkwrapped software development" at the time. That legacy, Delphi and FPC still maintain the standard for desktop, native dev, really for the last 30 years.

Kahn is still pretty active: https://philippekahn.com/

I skimmed the blog. I detect LLM output, but no person.

Re: Microsoft Edit

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Post by arexxbifs »

repler wrote: post #155
masfoobar wrote: post #146

About a month ago I heard Microsoft had their own Linux distribution to help Microsoft Windows users feel more at home. From memory, it was a rather simple GNOME setup. Nothing special. I am surprised Micrsooft didnt use the opportunity to create a micrsoft specific Linux distro that replaces bash with powershell, or Edit with vim, nano and other choices as well as .NET and Visual Studio Code by developer installs. M…

> I am surprised Micrsooft didnt use the opportunity to create a micrsoft specific Linux distro The last one didn’t do so hot, they named it “Xenix”

It was a lousy distro, it didn't even include the Linux kernel!

On the other hand, according to AT&T, Xenix accounted for about half of the worldwide Unix licenses in the late 1980s.

Re: Microsoft Edit

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Post by subjectsigma »

masfoobar wrote: post #146

About a month ago I heard Microsoft had their own Linux distribution to help Microsoft Windows users feel more at home. From memory, it was a rather simple GNOME setup. Nothing special. I am surprised Micrsooft didnt use the opportunity to create a micrsoft specific Linux distro that replaces bash with powershell, or Edit with vim, nano and other choices as well as .NET and Visual Studio Code by developer installs. M…

I would venture a guess that the name recognition helps them. No developer wants to install a distro they’ve never heard of, but they do want to install Ubuntu. If WSL supports Ubuntu then they can cash in on that.

Re: Microsoft Edit

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Post by scoopr »

The original edit.com, from around dos 6.22 (and later 7.0, ie. win95) was my first IDE. Well, I started with qbasic, so I was fairly familiar with it as it was similar (or same?), but when I started learning C/C++ with djgpp, I just continued using edit.com.

My "project file" was `e.bat` with `edit file1.cpp file2.cpp file3.cpp`, as it was one of the few editors that I knew that had a decent multi file support with easy switching (alt-1,2,3 ..). I still continue remapping editor keybindings to switch to files with alt/cmd-1,2,3,.. and try to have my "active set" as few of the first files in the editor

It wasn't a great code editor, as it didn't have syntax highlighting, and the indent behaviour wasn't super great (which is why in my early career had my indent was two spaces, as that was easy enough to do by hand, and wasn't too much like tab). But I felt very immediate with the code anyway.

I knew that many others used editors like `qedit`, but somehow they never clicked with me. The unixy editors didn't feel right in dos either.

Quickly trying this, it doesn't seem to switch buffers with the same keybindings, even if it does seem to support multiple buffers.

Re: Microsoft Edit

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Post by subjectsigma »

oersted wrote: post #108
llarsson wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telling people to use nano would of course have been next to impossible. Much easier to rewrite a DOS-era editor in Rust, naturally.

micro would have been an even better choice, the UX is impressively close to something like Sublime Text for a TUI, and very comfortable for those not used to modal editors.

I like micro and use it occasionally. I like this even more. I booted up the editor and instantly thought “it would be nice if there was a clickable buffer list right about…” and then realized my mouse was hovering over it. My next instant thought was that micro should have implemented this feature a long time ago

Re: Microsoft Edit

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Post by s1mplicissimus »

IshKebab wrote: post #132
sneak wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you opposed to learning vi which is already installed everywhere?

Because vi has all the usability of a keyboard made out of hedgehogs.

I wouldn't consider vi usability to be overall bad. Sure, affordance ("is it easy grasp which moves i can make without affording much cognitive effort?") is terrible.

Setting up a decent environment is also a huge pain to get started with, but nowadays you can just hop into a prewarmed pool with premade setups like Normalvim or LunarVim.

But usability is not just "is it easy to learn", it's also "once i know it, how hard is it to use"

Once the moves are ingrained in your (muscle-)memory it becomes so incredibly efficient. di{, dat, yaf etc. are just the low hanging fruit, once you start with regex, macros and plugins the fun really begins.

Re: Microsoft Edit

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Post by MattSteelblade »

egorfine wrote: post #159
skc wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well why not? Is there supposed to be a single elected shell for Linux? Powershell on Linux is just one of plenty others.

I'm not against it. Absolutely go for it. I just wonder what was the reason to port it and then I would like to have a word with a real living person who is actually using that shell.

I believe this was the original announcement https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/powershell-is-open-so.... I have used it on Linux and it is included by default in Kali and ParrotOS.

Re: Microsoft Edit

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Post by unsupp0rted »

scoopr wrote: post #166

The original edit.com, from around dos 6.22 (and later 7.0, ie. win95) was my first IDE. Well, I started with qbasic, so I was fairly familiar with it as it was similar (or same?), but when I started learning C/C++ with djgpp, I just continued using edit.com. My "project file" was `e.bat` with `edit file1.cpp file2.cpp file3.cpp`, as it was one of the few editors that I knew that had a decent multi file support with…

edit was a godsend after the `copy con` days
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