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Re: Lyon Drops Microsoft to Boost Digital Sovereignty

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Post by Hilift »

kergonath wrote: post #31
amelius wrote: post #15

It would be fair if we'd see an increase in government funding of open source projects. Or at least the government could pay for security audits.

I think you are not familiar with how governments work. They are not going to rely on a random git repo, they are going to have contractors to ensure a basic level of support and bug fixing. And some contractors to ensure development and availability of tooling. And deployment and integration. They are also going to test, audit and validate updates, not just pull from remote. Also, in some cases there are research ag…

The product is a vehicle. Governments are looking for an assurance. That comes from the reputation of the system integrators/contractors.

That said, Birmingham UK turned a £38 million Oracle Financials project into a £90 million failure after including re-implementation costs. That kind of stuff probably isn't replaceable, simply because they spent all the money.

Re: Lyon Drops Microsoft to Boost Digital Sovereignty

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Post by hyperman1 »

tormeh wrote: post #17

Schleswig-Holstein and Thuringia are switching to OpenTalk for teleconference. It's really wild to see things actually happen - not just research grants and talking.

I noticed a similar thing as an European with COVID. Noise from a new disease came from China, so everybody is a bit scared and does nothing. Then Italy got the full blast of it, overloaded hospitals and all. This somehow made it real. People in our ingroup were suffering. At that point, governements got actively involved.

The Microsoft vs ICC situation seems similar. IT independence is now taken serious at governemental organisations. Our ingroup got a problem.

Re: Lyon Drops Microsoft to Boost Digital Sovereignty

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Post by dahcryn »

kergonath wrote: post #31
amelius wrote: post #15

It would be fair if we'd see an increase in government funding of open source projects. Or at least the government could pay for security audits.

I think you are not familiar with how governments work. They are not going to rely on a random git repo, they are going to have contractors to ensure a basic level of support and bug fixing. And some contractors to ensure development and availability of tooling. And deployment and integration. They are also going to test, audit and validate updates, not just pull from remote. Also, in some cases there are research ag…

this scares me.

The last thing we need is cheap consulting messing with open source projects. I don't want TCS and Accenture developing libreoffice or stuff like that and turn it into shit

Re: Lyon Drops Microsoft to Boost Digital Sovereignty

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Post by tentacleuno »

guappa wrote: post #28
amelius wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm thinking more: maybe we'll see an increase in commits from dubious hacker groups. Who is going to audit these open source projects?

https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/30/22410164/linux-kernel-uni... Seems there's more than one country doing malicious stuff on purpose.

Non-paywalled: https://archive.is/cBIzm

Re: Lyon Drops Microsoft to Boost Digital Sovereignty

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Post by sigmoid10 »

tormeh wrote: post #17

Schleswig-Holstein and Thuringia are switching to OpenTalk for teleconference. It's really wild to see things actually happen - not just research grants and talking.

Munich switched to Linux in 2012. But they switched back to Microsoft in 2020 because they never could get it to work completely. At least not to the level of comfort in the old system. Open source has its advantages, but MS dominates the business world because of its tech support that is truly second to none on that scale. If Europe wants independence, they need to support local businesses and not just technology.

Re: Lyon Drops Microsoft to Boost Digital Sovereignty

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Post by Kuinox »

madaxe_again wrote: post #37
buyucu wrote: post #24

I said this before, but will say it again: Trump is pure evil, but he is having positive (unintended) consequences. One of them will be is the migration he is triggering away from Big Tech.

Everyone is either pure good or pure evil now, huh? Red team or blue team, compromise is anathema, the centre a desert. FWIW I’m no fan of Trump, but I’m even less of a fan of this bipolar tribalism.

You are for or against fascism. The bipolar tribalism is in the viewpoint, there are tons of political groups out there that are not fascist, saying that Trump is pure evil doesn't exclude being open to multiple alternative and having various aligments with thoses.

Re: Lyon Drops Microsoft to Boost Digital Sovereignty

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Post by ujkhsjkdhf234 »

dahcryn wrote: post #43
kergonath wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are not familiar with how governments work. They are not going to rely on a random git repo, they are going to have contractors to ensure a basic level of support and bug fixing. And some contractors to ensure development and availability of tooling. And deployment and integration. They are also going to test, audit and validate updates, not just pull from remote. Also, in some cases there are research ag…

this scares me. The last thing we need is cheap consulting messing with open source projects. I don't want TCS and Accenture developing libreoffice or stuff like that and turn it into shit

Libreoffice is already shit. It works don't get me wrong but the project is far behind where it should be.

Re: Lyon Drops Microsoft to Boost Digital Sovereignty

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Post by imjonse »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #45
tormeh wrote: post #17

Schleswig-Holstein and Thuringia are switching to OpenTalk for teleconference. It's really wild to see things actually happen - not just research grants and talking.

Munich switched to Linux in 2012. But they switched back to Microsoft in 2020 because they never could get it to work completely. At least not to the level of comfort in the old system. Open source has its advantages, but MS dominates the business world because of its tech support that is truly second to none on that scale. If Europe wants independence, they need to support local businesses and not just technology.

Tech support is clearly very important but I have a hard time believing there wasn't a great amount of lobbying involved as well.

Re: Lyon Drops Microsoft to Boost Digital Sovereignty

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Post by justinrubek »

madaxe_again wrote: post #37
buyucu wrote: post #24

I said this before, but will say it again: Trump is pure evil, but he is having positive (unintended) consequences. One of them will be is the migration he is triggering away from Big Tech.

Everyone is either pure good or pure evil now, huh? Red team or blue team, compromise is anathema, the centre a desert. FWIW I’m no fan of Trump, but I’m even less of a fan of this bipolar tribalism.

Nope, nobody claimed that everyone is pure good or pure evil. The claim was just about Trump.
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