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Lyon Drops Microsoft to Boost Digital Sovereignty

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Re: Lyon Drops Microsoft to Boost Digital Sovereignty

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Post by sylware »

Don't forget, "open source" is not enough: we need _lean_ open source and I do include the SDK (then programing language).

That for software/protocol/file formats (and hardware programing interfaces...).

It is much easier to say than done, and when you read that, often it is to apply pressure on microsoft pricing only without a real intent to start to "digitally assume themselves".

Keep in mind: there is ZERO, Z-E-R-O, economic competition with big tech as they are backed by funds with thousands of billions of $ and they their billions of $ too. They will spend anybody out of business (~usually 5-10 years, even longer), and "buy" anybody (then throw them away once lock-in is assured).

For instance: libreoffice is horrible (c++ grotesque syntax complexity is the culprit), PDF file format is insane (I cannot event download the specs with noscript/basic (x)html browsers!). Better write simple utf8 text files along with some PNG images mkv(AV1/OPUS) video if needed.

Basically, you need to generate programmatically the PDF files of the administration since there are no "reasonable" (as far as I know) open source software to do so (often c++, then excluded de-facto).

Re: Lyon Drops Microsoft to Boost Digital Sovereignty

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Post by pif »

sylware wrote: post #2

Don't forget, "open source" is not enough: we need _lean_ open source and I do include the SDK (then programing language). That for software/protocol/file formats (and hardware programing interfaces...). It is much easier to say than done, and when you read that, often it is to apply pressure on microsoft pricing only without a real intent to start to "digitally assume themselves". Keep in mind: there is ZERO, Z-E-R-…

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Re: Lyon Drops Microsoft to Boost Digital Sovereignty

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Post by sodimel »

sylware wrote: post #2

Don't forget, "open source" is not enough: we need _lean_ open source and I do include the SDK (then programing language). That for software/protocol/file formats (and hardware programing interfaces...). It is much easier to say than done, and when you read that, often it is to apply pressure on microsoft pricing only without a real intent to start to "digitally assume themselves". Keep in mind: there is ZERO, Z-E-R-…

We generate pdf files using weasyprint (convert html+css into cool pdf files), I think tools like this are very valuable and practical for building higher-level pdf-generators tools.

Re: Lyon Drops Microsoft to Boost Digital Sovereignty

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Post by vasco »

sylware wrote: post #2

Don't forget, "open source" is not enough: we need _lean_ open source and I do include the SDK (then programing language). That for software/protocol/file formats (and hardware programing interfaces...). It is much easier to say than done, and when you read that, often it is to apply pressure on microsoft pricing only without a real intent to start to "digitally assume themselves". Keep in mind: there is ZERO, Z-E-R-…

IBM has some cool AI tools for PDFs that I used for some side project toys: https://github.com/docling-project/docling

Re: Lyon Drops Microsoft to Boost Digital Sovereignty

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

sylware wrote: post #2

Don't forget, "open source" is not enough: we need _lean_ open source and I do include the SDK (then programing language). That for software/protocol/file formats (and hardware programing interfaces...). It is much easier to say than done, and when you read that, often it is to apply pressure on microsoft pricing only without a real intent to start to "digitally assume themselves". Keep in mind: there is ZERO, Z-E-R-…

I agree with you that the PDF format is insane (I have had my head buried in the spec for the last month) but it has won in the marketplace. It's unlikely anything can supersede it now.

Microsoft had a technically strong alternative but it was far too late.

Re: Lyon Drops Microsoft to Boost Digital Sovereignty

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Post by eigenspace »

jddj wrote: post #6

It doesn't seem like it, but can someone shed any light on whether La Suite Numerique ( https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/en ) and the Territoire Numérique Ouvert are related?

Almost certainly related. Im sure Lyon won't just use those tools, but im sure they'll also be front of the queue for consideration.

Re: Lyon Drops Microsoft to Boost Digital Sovereignty

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Post by PoignardAzur »

jddj wrote: post #6

It doesn't seem like it, but can someone shed any light on whether La Suite Numerique ( https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/en ) and the Territoire Numérique Ouvert are related?

I'm not sure either, but those seem like completely parallel initiatives, with overlapping but not quite identical feature sets.
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