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Re: Microsoft Edit

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Post by san1927 »

dleslie wrote: post #46
jksmith wrote: post #19

This is just a "because I wanted to" project. And I get that; done a lot of those myself just to understand what the hell was going on. But the rewrite of turbo vision into FPC and compiling to half a dozen targets has been around for 20 years. Turbo vision is probably the best text mode windowing library in existence. The cool fun kicks in when you can map a whole text screen to an array like so: var Screen: Array[1…

For those curious, here is a modern port of the C++ Turbo Vision that also supports Unicode: https://github.com/magiblot/tvision

lmao is any body still using turbo cpp?

Re: Microsoft Edit

#102

Post by smartmic »

pxc wrote: post #16

I used to recommend micro[1] to people like those in the target audience of this editor. I wonder if that should change or not. -- 1: https://micro-editor.github.io/

There is also dte[1]. It hits exactly the same notch and offers an extremely lean editor with Unicode support, CUA key bindings and much more. It has replaced nano as my terminal editor.

[1]: https://craigbarnes.gitlab.io/dte/

Re: Microsoft Edit

#103

Post by red_admiral »

llarsson wrote: post #94
dark-star wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As they explained, they needed a text editor that works in a command line (for Windows Core server installs), works across SSH (because for a while now Windows included an SSH Server so you can completely manage it through SSH), and can be used by non-vi-experienced Windows administrators (i.e. a modeless editor).

Telling people to use nano would of course have been next to impossible. Much easier to rewrite a DOS-era editor in Rust, naturally.

This way gets coolness points, HN headlines, makes the programmers who wrote it happy, and probably is a contribution to making a couple of autistic people feel included.

Rust + EDITOR.COM is kind of like remaking/remastering an old video game.

Re: Microsoft Edit

#104

Post by gnubison »

red_admiral wrote: post #100

Now I'm waiting for EDLIN but with unicode. I remember you could use it in a batch file to script some kinds of editing by piping the keypresses in from stdin. Sort of a replacement for a subset of sed or awk. I haven't tried but this should be possible with vi too. Whether that is deeply cursed is another question.

I think ed is what you’re looking for (possibly with -s).

Re: Microsoft Edit

#105

Post by red_admiral »

shakna wrote: post #77
bapak wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think not. Edit is to edit files in the terminal. What kind of files do you expect people to edit in the terminal? Most certainly files that would benefit from colors, not prose.

A lot of authors, myself included, want a "distraction free" editor. Its a whole over-populated market segment. Prose thrives in the terminal. Ice and Fire was written in WordStar, as just one popular example.

Rachel Kroll once posted that she writes her posts in nano, with the distraction of syntax highlighting turned off: https://rachelbythebay.com/w/2011/09/24/editor/

I can't find the link but I think at some point she compiled her own nano with some "helpful" feature patched out again.

Re: Microsoft Edit

#106

Post by red_admiral »

fsniper wrote: post #81

Microsoft loves to own general terminology like "edit" for their products. I have no idea how this flys. SqlServer like it's the one that found sql or it's the only product that serves sql.

The copy command is called "copy" which kind of makes sense? I remember once seeing a colleagues .bashrc with things like "alias copy=cp". Flags won't work the same way of course.

Sure "chcp" is a mouthful, but "del" or "erase" makes as much sense as learning that "rm" is short for remove. You pick up either convention quickly enough, except that I'm constantly using "where" when I meant "which". Maybe I should make an alias or something.

Don't get me started on powershell's look-we-can-use-proper-words-lets-see-how-long-we-can-make-this.

Re: Microsoft Edit

#107

Post by srvmshr »

san1927 wrote: post #101
dleslie wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those curious, here is a modern port of the C++ Turbo Vision that also supports Unicode: https://github.com/magiblot/tvision

lmao is any body still using turbo cpp?

You'll be surprised if I tell you several universities in India have not updated their curriculum in a very long time & Turbo C++ (& its non-standard C++ flavor) is the weapon of choice. The school board in the '00s, which preferred to teach a programming language for CS, used to have it curriculum around this C++ dialect. I have passed my high-school board examinations with this language (It was known to be already outdated in 2004. The smart kids knew the real C++ was programming by Visual Studio 6 ecosystem. But one had to still deal with it to clear the exams.)

Admitted, a few things have changed in last couple of years. MATLAB is being replaced by Python. Teaching 8085 & 8051 is being replaced by RasPi/Arduino. 8086 is taught alongside ARM & RISC, and not touted as SoTA.

I last saw Turbo being used in 2016-17 in a university setting, inside a DosBox (because Windows 7+ have dropped support for such old programs). Insane, but true.

Re: Microsoft Edit

#108

Post by oersted »

llarsson wrote: post #94
dark-star wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As they explained, they needed a text editor that works in a command line (for Windows Core server installs), works across SSH (because for a while now Windows included an SSH Server so you can completely manage it through SSH), and can be used by non-vi-experienced Windows administrators (i.e. a modeless editor).

Telling people to use nano would of course have been next to impossible. Much easier to rewrite a DOS-era editor in Rust, naturally.

micro would have been an even better choice, the UX is impressively close to something like Sublime Text for a TUI, and very comfortable for those not used to modal editors.

Re: Microsoft Edit

#109

Post by 4k93n2 »

kristopolous wrote: post #92
bapak wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think not. Edit is to edit files in the terminal. What kind of files do you expect people to edit in the terminal? Most certainly files that would benefit from colors, not prose.

I met someone recently that still uses WordStar. Yes I'm serious. He runs it in QEMU on FreeDOS. He's a writer for a living.

George R.R. Martin still uses Wordstar as well!
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