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Post by cyberax »

HillRat wrote: post #136
Analemma_ wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A little while ago Scott Alexander did a lengthy post about how Curtis Yarvin, aka Moldbug, has essentially backtracked on everything he ever said about tyranny and these days gleefully cheers on all the things he decried in his early writing. Yarvin's response was, essentially, "You actually believed that I believed that stuff? lmao, idiot. This was about power and now we have it, piss off." Yarvin is unusually cand…

It's been interesting watching who actually places rule of law and liberty above partisanship -- the Cheneys, tellingly, or Bill Kristol, or the Cato Institute -- and who has cheerfully befouled every declared principle they held in the name of untrammeled power. There are a number of law professors who talked a good game about common law liberty when the bad guy was the EPA, but signed on with Trump I and II the sec…

But there's a silver lining. Democrats have been mostly true to their ideas.

And the difference is really striking.

Once Republicans got power, they immediately forgot basically ALL their ideals: small government, States rights, adherence to law, budget discipline, etc.

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Post by airforce1 »

gota wrote: post #447
airforce1 wrote: post #422

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A state (not federal) house representative and her husband were murdered. A state (not federal) senator and his wife were attempted murdered, but both survived and are expected to recover. Your comment frames it as if 2 members of federal congress were assassinated which would have been a much bigger deal. State politicians being killed is still shocking and tragic, but try to be precise in your language as to not mi…

This is surprising to me. Are you implying/saying it's no big deal that 2 elected officials were shot (one killed) because they are "only" state-level politicians? This is not a good sign for democracy in the US. I think a healthy response would be protests, investigations, state and federal "comissions" looking into domestic political terrorism, etc. A whole lot of consequences. Instead there is nothing . In contras…

It's a big deal, just not as big a deal as misleadingly implied. "The capitol building was bombed!" (implying Washington DC) vs "The capitol building [of Alaska] was bombed!" would both be big deals, but one is a much bigger deal than the other.

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Post by EnPissant »

Analemma_ wrote: post #51
paxys wrote: post #8

Wonder what the "political correctness is bad" "nobody is allowed to crack jokes anymore" "cancel culture is out of control" crowd will say about this one...

A little while ago Scott Alexander did a lengthy post about how Curtis Yarvin, aka Moldbug, has essentially backtracked on everything he ever said about tyranny and these days gleefully cheers on all the things he decried in his early writing. Yarvin's response was, essentially, "You actually believed that I believed that stuff? lmao, idiot. This was about power and now we have it, piss off." Yarvin is unusually cand…

That's a very poor summary of this: https://x.com/curtis_yarvin/status/1921526333739319458

A better summary might be:

Yarvin tells Scott that today’s populist right is too weak to fear, while the real authoritarian danger comes from the prestige-driven institutions that already steer American life. His shift since 2008 isn’t a sell-out but a recognition that the fuel of mass democracy has run low and that the managerial regime’s ongoing failures are the greater evil.

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Post by propagandist »

FredPret wrote: post #387
mywittyname wrote: post #376

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> you still have way more freedom and specifically freedom of speech in the US than the rest of us Depends on who "you" are. There some some who are allowed to openly make tangible, if thinly veiled death threats to others without repercussions. Others can have their lives ruined over trivial things. The "you"s who are not granted as much freedom of speech are aware of it and only express themselves among trusted peo…

There is now an absolute fountain of criticism of the current administration, the USA itself, and the entire West coming from every demographic in the USA. This isn't a new thing or restricted to Trump. I don't see any mass arrests, chilling of media, or official propaganda making the rounds.

You are not looking. Law firms are targeted and silenced. Media is subservient. People absolutely do watch what they say for a large number of reasons.

The type of speech being policed is different, but it's absolutely happening.

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Post by smegger001 »

bananalychee wrote: post #397
Disposal8433 wrote: post #375

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> which is something that actually happens in other countries Yes, but it's (IIRC) that it's so blatantly happening in the Land of the Free World where the first amendment of the constitution is touted as the best law ever written in history.

Is it so blatant, or does it just seems like it because of the sheer amount of spin being spun? I can think of a few stories that I think qualify as evidence of overstepping, but I can also think of several from 2021-2024. I don't like it, but none really come close to the level of the UK's speech policing. Reading the comments here you'd think we're worse than China. When it comes to border control, I've looked into…

Difference being I can openly disagree with UK speech laws and call tje prime minister a limp dick and not be denied entry. Where here that is no is ground for denying entry where it wasn't under previous administrations. Can you imagine the outrage had Bush admin banned anyone that mad fun of Dick Channy ?

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Post by FredPret »

propagandist wrote: post #454
FredPret wrote: post #387

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is now an absolute fountain of criticism of the current administration, the USA itself, and the entire West coming from every demographic in the USA. This isn't a new thing or restricted to Trump. I don't see any mass arrests, chilling of media, or official propaganda making the rounds.

You are not looking. Law firms are targeted and silenced. Media is subservient. People absolutely do watch what they say for a large number of reasons. The type of speech being policed is different, but it's absolutely happening.

You're right and I don't like it one bit, but there was also a long list of true things that we weren't allowed to say aloud under the previous lot.

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Post by BurningFrog »

mpalmer wrote: post #212
BurningFrog wrote: post #96

Let me just point out that the only source we have for this story is one angry Norwegian. The only verified fact is that he was denied entry.

It's pretty hard to corroborate a story like this. Everyone has to make their own judgment, but I cannot give the benefit of the doubt to the US government. What reason does this guy have to lie? If he was denied entry because of something actually illegal or non legit, why would he risk this exposure to make something up? If he wasn't denied entry and just decided to fly home and make up the lie, why pay for a vacat…

It's probably impossible to corroborate this story. But that does not mean we can consider it corroborated!

One obvious reason to lie is that the real reason is embarrassing. Maybe he has criminal history, porn/nazi/fentanyl docs, what-have-you. Then when people ask why you was denied, you have to say something.

I'm absolutely not saying that he is lying! Only that we shouldn't blindly trust him.

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Post by propagandist »

FredPret wrote: post #456
propagandist wrote: post #454

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are not looking. Law firms are targeted and silenced. Media is subservient. People absolutely do watch what they say for a large number of reasons. The type of speech being policed is different, but it's absolutely happening.

You're right and I don't like it one bit, but there was also a long list of true things that we weren't allowed to say aloud under the previous lot.

Great, glad we agree. I didn't like the precious lot one bit either. Glad they're gone.

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Post by kcplate »

throw0101c wrote: post #396
stego-tech wrote: post #193

All the bickering about the validity of this specific story and the “if you don’t like it don’t ever leave home to go anywhere ever” misses the crux of the issue that these articles are trying to raise: * Do we agree that a law enforcement arm of any country should be allowed to perform warrantless searches of electronic devices? * Do we find it acceptable that persons with critical views are denied entry to countrie…

> […] countries that profess protection of speech for its citizens? Not just citizens: AIUI the various US Constitution Amendments apply to everyone with-in the US. And more generally, the US sees itself—or at least its ideals—as the model people should strive for ("City upon a Hill").

> AIUI the various US Constitution Amendments apply to everyone with-in the US

Mostly correct (depends on which amendment), but technically this guy didn’t cross into the US yet since he hadn’t cleared customs and border control…so the first amendment doesn’t apply to him.

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Post by stanmancan »

promptdaddy wrote: post #256
stanmancan wrote: post #199

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We used to take two annual trips to the US, and cross the border every 4-6 weeks to shop, eat, and fill up our gas on the way home. We haven't been there since this current administration took over, and have no plans on it until something changes. Trumps comments regarding Canada, and the whole "51st state" rhetoric triggered the decision, but these stories absolutely play a part in it. I'm not about to put myself, o…

So sad that one little man can affect your view of an entire place. The tone of this thread really pins Trump as a true King.

It’s not just one man, it’s also the millions of individuals who voted for him.
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