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Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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No, the TSA security officers who are inspecting passengers and their luggage do not have arrest powers and are not armed. If you are doing something illegal, they call the police, and the police arrest you.

Does your need to be technically correct outweigh your need to understand an argument?

To be fair, you are on HackerNews.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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It is worth noting that the US has been doing digital device searches coming up to twenty years now. I had my phone searched back in the early 2000s, and my most recent US Visa required me to list all social media accounts. I've even read (but not experienced) reports of GrayKey or UFED being used to download someone's unlocked phone for offline analysis also. Your choices at the border are either: Unlock your phone…

Disable biometric unlock; you're not required to provide a passcode but you can be required to look at or touch the device. Cross with it turned off. I don't think the threat of a fine or jail time is real. Even if the agents said that, that's not an actual legal penalty they can apply. They can deny entry to someone on a visa, but they can't deny entry to a citizen or legal resident. They can keep your device, thoug…

Or better, just take a different device?

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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>Armed guards poked though his luggage. It's a slippery slope toward fascism. Is it? Lack of rights at the border isn't "fascism", it's the norm. I don't think any country gives you 4th amendment (or similar) rights at the border, even liberal democracies.

And nearly all "rights" are rights of citizens , not visitors...

Is the implication here that lawfully granted visas and green card holders don't have rights in the US?

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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It's pretty hard to corroborate a story like this. Everyone has to make their own judgment, but I cannot give the benefit of the doubt to the US government. What reason does this guy have to lie? If he was denied entry because of something actually illegal or non legit, why would he risk this exposure to make something up? If he wasn't denied entry and just decided to fly home and make up the lie, why pay for a vacat…

A reasonable news outlet would call CBP for a comment. Something like "attempts to reach CBP for comment were unsuccessful." goes a long way. It's a tell that they don't. The story is too good not to print.

CBP does comment on these when asked! The previous one of these that went around even has a Snopes page with paragraphs of comments from DHS officials.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Going to the USA as a tourist might be the most stupid action that one can make at this time. Unless you have a dying mother or father, there is absolutely no reason to visit this country. It reminds me of the tourists that used to go to North Korea for fun some years ago, it never was a good idea.

I'd go further and say that going to the USA as a tourist unethical at this point. Keeping your money out the USA is the best thing you can do for the USA and the world right now.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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This story sounded a little suspicious, or at least incomplete. It never mentioned why he was singled out by the border agent. Also, ICE would probably not have been involved at all. I looked up the article in Norwegian Reddit and someone posted a link to this person's Youtube channel where he shoots guns and (apparently, as I don't speak the language) has made comments about the President. https://www.youtube.com/ch…

> Which seems to hint that the subject arrived in the US without proper paperwork.

Ok, so help him fill out the proper paper work. At which point does this justify strip searching and assaulting someone?

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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> "placed in a cell" I think the title is deficient and should be based on this higher-weighted fact, over the weaker phrasing "refused entry". "Tourist jailed without trial for possessing political cartoon"

The higher-weighted fact is that the USA has a brutal double assassination of opposition politicians (a senator and a house representative along with their spouses), and no one is talking about that, zero mentions on hacker news. A guy detained for a Vance meme? Yeah, keep your attention on that. You live in a fascism already.

I think there's been plenty of discussion of the above, and it often dovetails with immigration enforcement and the pretty reasonable assumption that the masked kidnap squads are law enforcement impersonators in much the same way the assassin was, and the two types of situation are different manifestations of the same threat model (volent actors working at the behest of the autocrat but without necessarily being agents of the state).

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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I doubt it's that high with loads of Canadians not visiting the US. I planned last year to stop off in Hawaii and Seattle on the way from NZ to the UK this May, but in March this year I altered that and just did Vancouver instead as the stop-off. I know several friends and colleages who have also done similar (even two didn't go to weddings of friends in the US).

You're exaggerating the significance of Canadians in US tourism statistics. NY and MA have larger populations than ON and QC, Canada's two largest provinces. Therefore, even "loads" is a relatively small number.

A lot of Canadian “tourism” isn’t of the stay in a series of hotels for two weeks variety. It’s cross the border to attend a concert or sporting event. Grab a bite to eat and stock up at Walmart/Costco/ before heading home. Sales at the Costco nearest the border with BC were down 20% at the same time Costco was seeing increased sales nationwide.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Every generation has its "free-speech advocates" moaning, "you can’t say anything anymore." The current panics: political correctness, cancel culture, jokes under siege, has the usual suspects asking, "What will the free-speech crowd say about this one?" This is a perfect example of Bourdieu's idea of symbolic violence and the violence of the arbitrary. The uncomfortable truth is, for many the thrill isn't in enforci…

Yes, we hear versions of this conceit a lot, but how does it play out? Like where exactly is this arbritrary power exercised in your mind? Where is the payout? In each discrete call out or critique? Is the world in your view just full of a million tyrants fighting for various fiefdoms, or is there just one collective bad faith actor here? How can you marry here both the overarching individualism which would make this…

It sounds like you're asking what is the scope of this sovereignty?

In my experience, the scope is the establishment of a status hierarchy.

We love to put ourselves in a privileged position. In most internet discussion, the status hierarchy extends throughout the duration of the encounter. In most Thanksgivings, the crazy uncle goes away at the end of the night, in marriages, it extends for the duration of the relationship. It's fundamentally tied to the social engagement.

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