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Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by IIAOPSW » Tue, Jun 24, 2025, 7:32 PM UTC

harry8 wrote: post #134

jasonwatkinspdx wrote: post #91

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Based on decades of experience with my family: it's only political correctness when other people do it. When they do it, it's just common decency, common sense, family values, etc. And as far as the original story, individual border agents should absolutely not be doing this to people because they have a meme on their phone, doubly so one where Vance shared a version of it himself. There is straight up no justificati…

> doubly so one where Vance shared a version of it himself No. Should have precisely zero baring on anything at all. Reminder: Support of free speech requires support of the right to say things that you loathe by people you hate or you don’t support free speech.

It is "doubly so" because the border guard was wrong to judge the content as "lese majeste" on account of JD himself sharing it, and was wrong that "lese majeste" is applicable in America. The guard was wrong, and even if one doesn't agree with one of the reasons they were wrong because they don't share those values, the guard would still be wrong for the other reason. Therefore they were doubly wrong.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by School-Cotton » Tue, Jun 24, 2025, 7:32 PM UTC

tartoran wrote: post #286

School-Cotton wrote: post #248

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They were not a democracy despite what they had in the name. They were also not fascist, which has nothing to do with what was in their name. They were actually not fascist, in the sense that they didn't follow the ideology called "fascism". Fascism is a specific ideology invented in Italy in the early 20th century; it does not just mean any authoritarian dictatorship.

Yes, they were not fascist as an ideology. But I was pointing out the country was a democracy in name only which means whatever one calls themselves or claims to be are not necesarily rooted in reality.

You're correct about that, which is why my claim that they were not fascist has nothing to do with what was in their name or whether or not they claimed to be anything. It is based on the fact that in actual reality they did not follow the ideology of fascism.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by platevoltage » Tue, Jun 24, 2025, 7:33 PM UTC

I have a question, what if you show up with a freshly restored phone, or a dumb phone, or no phone at all? What if you're like me and have closed all of your social media accounts except Linked-in, that you're only on because you have to be?

Would you be looked at with suspicion at this point?

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by platevoltage » Tue, Jun 24, 2025, 7:33 PM UTC

pstuart wrote: post #68

kizer wrote: post #33

What the hell is happening to our country :(

A fascist coup is in play and they are actively dismantling all the safeguards to prevent it.

and we have at least 3.5 years to go.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by IncreasePosts » Tue, Jun 24, 2025, 7:34 PM UTC

throwawayq3423 wrote: post #113

IncreasePosts wrote: post #10

Is this the visitor's own take on what happened? Or did they tell him "you're denied entry because of your JD Vance meme"? Per the article they also asked him a bunch of other things like about right wing terrorism. Maybe his answers sucked? Maybe he was being evasive? There was the case a few months ago of a Canadian lady being detained and denied entry "for no reason", and then it turned out she wanted to work in t…

So how many times does something like this need to happen before you accept that it's happening?

Exactly once. But, I would need to know what actually happened, as opposed to what a person thinks or reports having happened.

To share an anecdote, a person I knew in high school went around telling people that he got tasered for having a broken tail light on his car. Well, he did have a broken tail light, and he was tasered, but when the body cam footage came out, it tells the story of kid getting pulled over, being extremely combative with the initially polite officer, refusing to provide identification, refusing to exit the vehicle 10 times when the officer was attempting to lawfully arrest him, and then being tasered.

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Post by Alupis » Tue, Jun 24, 2025, 7:34 PM UTC

School-Cotton wrote: post #241

Alupis wrote: post #182

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It's yet more evidence almost 0% of the population actually understands what "fascism" really is...

Right. Fascism and Soviet Bloc-style communism are both "bad" in the sense that they have tended to produce authoritarian dictatorships that massively increase human misery. But other than that, they are not at all the same ideology.

The problem is with people labeling anything they dislike as "fascist". Surely we can admit it dilutes the actual meaning of the word by using it to refer to things that are, in-fact, not fascist?

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Post by mensetmanusman » Tue, Jun 24, 2025, 7:34 PM UTC

hermanzegerman wrote: post #126

jasonwatkinspdx wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Based on decades of experience with my family: it's only political correctness when other people do it. When they do it, it's just common decency, common sense, family values, etc. And as far as the original story, individual border agents should absolutely not be doing this to people because they have a meme on their phone, doubly so one where Vance shared a version of it himself. There is straight up no justificati…

What values does the US represent?

You will only get edgy responses, most can’t comprehend what to think when people acting under a system of values fail to reach their proposed ideals.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by switchbak » Tue, Jun 24, 2025, 7:35 PM UTC

markx2 wrote: post #273

slg wrote: post #203

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>individual border agents should absolutely not be doing this One of the underdiscussed aspects of an authoritarian regime is that it creates countless little tyrants that all feel empowered to exert whatever power they have in any way they see fit.

2006. O'Hare. I'm close to the front when exiting a UK > US plane. The 'agent' sees an implant (self-done years prior) in the back of my right hand. Calls it 'brutal'. I was directed to sit in a chair until way after the whole flight had disembarked. I was then questioned about my luggage, reasons for visiting. Some years later "Pull the guy with tattoos". Full search. Year or two after that, New York, pulled from th…

I had automatic weapons pointed at me and yelled at AFTER being waved through the crossing at the Ambassador bridge. 2010 era. I guess they wanted a second look.

Most border agents are brutal, regardless of the current administration. But things do seem to get worse when the Republicans/MAGA are in. I wouldn't even want to think about how they'll act if a big terrorist attack comes.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by Marsymars » Tue, Jun 24, 2025, 7:35 PM UTC

School-Cotton wrote: post #142

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #88

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What percentage of unnecessary and abusive jailings would you - as a rational person - consider acceptable?

(Not the person you originally replied to). Zero, but that's not the same question. If something I think is unacceptable happens at a low rate, the fact that I think it's bad doesn't mean it's necessarily rational to change one's travel plans because of it, if the rate is low enough. If I go to Iceland, there is some nonzero chance I'll be killed in a surprise volcanic eruption, but I wouldn't let that deter me from…

> The relatively high violent crime rate in US cities which was already present before the current administration is already a much more real reason not to visit the US than authoritarian border guards, although I'd argue even that would be a bit exaggerated.

As a tourist doing tourist things in the US, your risk of being involved in a violent crime is notably lower than an average US citizen, and your risk of being involved with a border guard is notably higher.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by platevoltage » Tue, Jun 24, 2025, 7:35 PM UTC

qoez wrote: post #45

To play devils advocate: I have a feeling the rules around what's allowed on social media according to these new rules are pretty vague and so whoever vetted this ended up being the judge in this case. I doubt jd vance made some memo about not allowing bald vance meme sharers from entering the country.

Do you doubt that there was a memo sent out that instructed CPD to deny entry to anyone who has anything negative to say about the administration? Because that seems like exactly something this admin would do.