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Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Most morally mature people practice that sort of reasoning. They take into account intentions, likely consequences, the state of knowledge of those involved, and other complicating factors before coming to a conclusion.

I think we have exactly opposite definitions of "moral maturity".

You may be right, anal_reactor.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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post #66

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Why is it less credible than your inherently 0 sided guess?

Because people of all political persuasions tell lies for attention and to support their political agenda. It is sensible to withhold judgment until there is sufficient information to make a reasonable determination on the balance of probabilities. That may mean witholding your righteous indignation for a day or two, but that's a price worth paying.

Except in reality judgment wasn't withheld, so your template doesn't fit.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Going to the USA as a tourist might be the most stupid action that one can make at this time. Unless you have a dying mother or father, there is absolutely no reason to visit this country. It reminds me of the tourists that used to go to North Korea for fun some years ago, it never was a good idea.

I expect this British man [0] to have cancelled this family trip to Miami now, after having found a picture online of his tattoo with his daughter's date and time of birth being published by the ICE as an example of a "Venezuelan gang tattoo". 0. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly22xm8kx1o

Elect a clown, expect a circus.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Let me just point out that the only source we have for this story is one angry Norwegian. The only verified fact is that he was denied entry.

Given that federal agencies have zero accountability to the legislative branch or the courts, or the constitution for that matter -- something that the constitutionalists suddenly aren't concerned about -- this is the best you're possibly going to get. And this story is hardly alone, and there are many similar tales. Canadians are being asked their position on Trump, which is as sure a demonstration possible that zero Canadians should be travelling to that country for any reason.

Do you expect the vile dog-shooting sociopath Kristi Noem to speak to this, given it's under her realm of extraordinary incompetence? Maybe she can play dressup to try to get some camera time.

For years we heard whines and cries about the politicization of government. Well the entire apparatus of the US federal government now wears a red hat and writes an essay declaring fealty to the king. It didn't take much for the country to collapse into a fallen idiocracy/husk of an autocracy, at least as a prelude for the utterly inevitable secessionist movement that is going to kick up to an 11.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Yeah, they were a democracy:) German Democratic Republic (GDR). Same with NK: Democratic People's Republic of Korea

They were not a democracy despite what they had in the name. They were also not fascist, which has nothing to do with what was in their name. They were actually not fascist, in the sense that they didn't follow the ideology called "fascism". Fascism is a specific ideology invented in Italy in the early 20th century; it does not just mean any authoritarian dictatorship.

Yes, they were not fascist as an ideology. But I was pointing out the country was a democracy in name only which means whatever one calls themselves or claims to be are not necesarily rooted in reality.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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> "They threatened me with a minimum fine of $5,000 or five years in prison if I refused to provide the password to my phone."

I would write a witty message about how it seems like a good idea to put your phone in the carry-on luggage, but given they now ask for social media handles I don't think I will

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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post #148

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Wilhoit's Law "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition. There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

My favorite thing about Wilhoit's law, aside from the law itself in its elegant simplicity, is that it is by Frank Wilhoit, but not that Frank Wilhoit ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_M._Wilhoit ). Instead, it is from a one-off, though typically excellent, comment on Crooked Timber ( https://crookedtimber.org/2018/03/21/liberals-against-progre... ).

My favorite thing about Wilhoit's Law is I worked with Frank Wilhoit for several years and still occasionally meet up with him. He's one of the most interesting and insightful people I know. He loves phrasing things in an unconventional way to encourage people to think about what's being said instead of thinking about the next thing they're about to say.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Yeah, I see a whole lot of media parallels to Nazi Germany, but the two historical analogues that really pop to mind for me are the French Revolution and the Breakup of Yugoslavia. Both of which ended in slaughter - the Napoleonic Wars for the former and ethnic cleansing for the latter. People are crying dictatorship now, but I don't see that being the ending here; rather, I see it as being war and death on a massive…

> If the U.S. disintegrates nowhere on earth is safe. This is a very Hollywood action film way of seeing the world. In the case of an American civil war, it's unlikely that it will be fought using nuclear weapons, and in that case, it's unlikely that they would use any on say, Chile, or Australia. Europeans are screwed though.

That's not really the threat model. It's that the U.S. has played the role of policing the world's oceans and world's regional conflicts since WW2. If the U.S. descends into civil war, it will be too preoccupied with internal power struggles to continue to play that role. Many, many countries elsewhere in the world will take the opportunity to settle old scores and jockey for regional advantage. Meanwhile, the population in many countries is supported by food imports that can only be sustained while global trade can freely occur.

If you live in Chile, the main danger is not that the U.S. drops a nuke on you. It's that Pakistan (freed from fear of international condemnation) drops a nuke in India, which then can no longer export rice to Saudi Arabia, where revolt breaks out, which cuts off the flow of oil, which makes Chile's economy grind to a halt.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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This guy was certainly flagged before he got on the plane in Norway. The US has data sharing agreements with lots of countries. His online behaviour was already known. The Trump administration changed the filters for what they're looking for in people's profiles. This guy fit. If you are going to upset the empire with your on and offline behaviour, you better practice solid information hygene.

Then why was his ESTA approved?

ESTA is a farce to justify a fee to funnel into the country's endless debt hole.
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