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Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by sarchertech »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #152
sarchertech wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was placed in a cell before they found the Vance image. He also said the border guard didn’t like that image or an image of him with a wooden pipe. I don’t doubt that it’s possible he was denied because of the Vance image and that in itself says something terrible about the current state of affairs. But I think it’s more likely that he was stopped based on some other red flag like not having a return ticket and de…

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When I say it’s possible, I don’t think that it’s the official CBP policy, but I have had enough interactions with power tripping cops to believe that it’s possible that the kid was disrespectful to the wrong guy. Customs agents have wide latitude in determining who can enter, and I could see a situation where an already angry agent saw the Vance thing, got even angrier and said you’re outta here.

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

Analemma_ wrote: post #51
paxys wrote: post #8

Wonder what the "political correctness is bad" "nobody is allowed to crack jokes anymore" "cancel culture is out of control" crowd will say about this one...

A little while ago Scott Alexander did a lengthy post about how Curtis Yarvin, aka Moldbug, has essentially backtracked on everything he ever said about tyranny and these days gleefully cheers on all the things he decried in his early writing. Yarvin's response was, essentially, "You actually believed that I believed that stuff? lmao, idiot. This was about power and now we have it, piss off." Yarvin is unusually cand…

Yarvin is missing the boat.

Just because who he voted for got the power, does not mean Yarvin got the power.

"Me Yarvin, Me powerful now". Is not true. What power does he think he has.???

The real question is, what has to happen before these people 'learn', or 'understand' that they were duped. What would it take for them to really grasp how they were played? Like all those Germans that shrug, 'I didn't know'.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by slg »

jasonwatkinspdx wrote: post #91
paxys wrote: post #8

Wonder what the "political correctness is bad" "nobody is allowed to crack jokes anymore" "cancel culture is out of control" crowd will say about this one...

Based on decades of experience with my family: it's only political correctness when other people do it. When they do it, it's just common decency, common sense, family values, etc. And as far as the original story, individual border agents should absolutely not be doing this to people because they have a meme on their phone, doubly so one where Vance shared a version of it himself. There is straight up no justificati…

>individual border agents should absolutely not be doing this

One of the underdiscussed aspects of an authoritarian regime is that it creates countless little tyrants that all feel empowered to exert whatever power they have in any way they see fit.

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Post by jmorenoamor »

EA-3167 wrote: post #57
Disposal8433 wrote: post #29

Going to the USA as a tourist might be the most stupid action that one can make at this time. Unless you have a dying mother or father, there is absolutely no reason to visit this country. It reminds me of the tourists that used to go to North Korea for fun some years ago, it never was a good idea.

In 2023, when tourism rates had yet to fully recover from Covid, over 66 million people visited the US from abroad. I don't have more recent statistics, but I'm going to assume that the number is the same or higher this year. Out of that population which could fill a decent-sized country, how many people have been treated so unfairly as the one in this article? How do those stats compare with other countries, and the…

Forcing you to hand your phone password and expose all your personal intimacy, or face prision, even when the chances are low, is quite a risk.

Even this comment in HN could put me into problems if the guard considers it harmful.

If a funny pic of a politician can put you into prision, the probably some messages you write in a WhatsApp group with friends, discussing world news, could mean serious problems.

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Post by MegaButts »

harry8 wrote: post #134
jasonwatkinspdx wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Based on decades of experience with my family: it's only political correctness when other people do it. When they do it, it's just common decency, common sense, family values, etc. And as far as the original story, individual border agents should absolutely not be doing this to people because they have a meme on their phone, doubly so one where Vance shared a version of it himself. There is straight up no justificati…

> doubly so one where Vance shared a version of it himself No. Should have precisely zero baring on anything at all. Reminder: Support of free speech requires support of the right to say things that you loathe by people you hate or you don’t support free speech.

> Support of free speech requires support of the right to say things

I know you didn't mean it this way, but both sides believe this to be true depending on how you define "the right"

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Post by skywhopper »

jasonwatkinspdx wrote: post #91
paxys wrote: post #8

Wonder what the "political correctness is bad" "nobody is allowed to crack jokes anymore" "cancel culture is out of control" crowd will say about this one...

Based on decades of experience with my family: it's only political correctness when other people do it. When they do it, it's just common decency, common sense, family values, etc. And as far as the original story, individual border agents should absolutely not be doing this to people because they have a meme on their phone, doubly so one where Vance shared a version of it himself. There is straight up no justificati…

Unfortunately, it’s pretty clear that there are strict quotas in place and border agents are expected to refuse entry to a certain number of people every day. The quotas are set by delusional xenophobes and thus aren’t remotely realistic, but border agents must find someone to kick out, so they latch onto any excuse. It’s truly sad and pathetic and evil.

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Post by keybored »

EA-3167 wrote: post #57
Disposal8433 wrote: post #29

Going to the USA as a tourist might be the most stupid action that one can make at this time. Unless you have a dying mother or father, there is absolutely no reason to visit this country. It reminds me of the tourists that used to go to North Korea for fun some years ago, it never was a good idea.

In 2023, when tourism rates had yet to fully recover from Covid, over 66 million people visited the US from abroad. I don't have more recent statistics, but I'm going to assume that the number is the same or higher this year. Out of that population which could fill a decent-sized country, how many people have been treated so unfairly as the one in this article? How do those stats compare with other countries, and the…

> I don't have more recent statistics, but I'm going to assume that the number is the same or higher this year.

Why would you?

> Out of that population which could fill a decent-sized country, how many people have been treated so unfairly as the one in this article? How do those stats compare with other countries, and the inevitable abuses that occur in any vast bureaucracy?

Most people have an opinion about the US. They might have shared it on social media.

For comparison, the government of Turkey might care if you have insulted Erdoğan on social media (I don’t know; they might). But chances are you want to travel to Turkey while not having strong enough opinions to have flamed Erdoğan on social media. People care more about what they can see in Turkey; foreigners objectively spend more time on US political news than they spend thinking about the US national parks.

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Post by surgical_fire »

Rebuff5007 wrote: post #9

I vote for a campaign to make sure every single entrant has this meme on their phone.

Thank you but no. I prefer to be safely at home across the pond.

I don't want to be in some Central American concentration camp when they decide that its time to turn on the ovens.

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Post by tclancy »

randallsquared wrote: post #172
throwawayq3423 wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While he oversees a government that enforces punitive actions on speech. Guess which action is more important?

He oversees almost nothing. The VP has no constitutional powers except to tiebreak the senate and succeed the president.

And yet coming out against this would carry significant weight.

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Post by smsm42 »

pluc wrote: post #31

Hmmm, in what other country is it a punishable offence to make fun of its dear leaders? Thailand? North Korea? Myanmar? Like it or not, these countries are who you are being compared to.

Germany: https://www.foxnews.com/media/germany-started-criminal-inves...

France: https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20230329-french-woman-...

Spain: https://www.catalannews.com/society-science/item/belgian-cou...

Poland: https://www.intellinews.com/polish-writer-faces-prison-for-c...

United Kingdom: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/13/queen-elizab... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/16/activist-shock...

Italy: https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/18/italia...

Note in most of these cases people prosecuted faced graver consequences than not being let into the country, and were full citizens, not foreigners.

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