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Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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post #56

His name was "Mads Mikkelsen", like the actor? Either he gave a fake name or this story is made up.

But here's a link to a local newspaper from his part of Norway: https://www.nordlys.no/mads-sin-drommereise-til-usa-spolert-...

https://archive.ph/h3Uf4 couldn't capture it well but you can see has his name is referenced as Mads Mikkelsen.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

#152

> "placed in a cell" I think the title is deficient and should be based on this higher-weighted fact, over the weaker phrasing "refused entry". "Tourist jailed without trial for possessing political cartoon"

He was placed in a cell before they found the Vance image. He also said the border guard didn’t like that image or an image of him with a wooden pipe. I don’t doubt that it’s possible he was denied because of the Vance image and that in itself says something terrible about the current state of affairs. But I think it’s more likely that he was stopped based on some other red flag like not having a return ticket and de…

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Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

#153
post #8

Wonder what the "political correctness is bad" "nobody is allowed to crack jokes anymore" "cancel culture is out of control" crowd will say about this one...

Based on decades of experience with my family: it's only political correctness when other people do it. When they do it, it's just common decency, common sense, family values, etc. And as far as the original story, individual border agents should absolutely not be doing this to people because they have a meme on their phone, doubly so one where Vance shared a version of it himself. There is straight up no justificati…

I know that the likes of fact checking and checking for hypocrisy draws eye rolls in the present environment (which in and of itself I find disappointing), but I do think an interesting variation on it would be to track what underlining principle is associated with any particular argument and to track adherence to principles over time. Of limited utility in an information ecosystem that's deeply indifferent to litigating disagreements on the basis of factual accuracy, but I feel like bsing your way out of inconsistent principles is at least harder.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

#154

Is this the visitor's own take on what happened? Or did they tell him "you're denied entry because of your JD Vance meme"? Per the article they also asked him a bunch of other things like about right wing terrorism. Maybe his answers sucked? Maybe he was being evasive? There was the case a few months ago of a Canadian lady being detained and denied entry "for no reason", and then it turned out she wanted to work in t…

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Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

#155

you people have been had... RTFA... a tourist "claims" this happened. The tourist name is Mads Mikkelsen??? The dude has the same name as the fucking actor??? Really??? Seriously people, learn when things smell of bullshit and when it doesn't.

Ah yes, it's a conspiracy and you spotted the critical oversight on their part. Real astute.

It's not actually that unlikely for other people to possess the name.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

#156
post #8

Wonder what the "political correctness is bad" "nobody is allowed to crack jokes anymore" "cancel culture is out of control" crowd will say about this one...

i think political correctness is bad and that this is bad (and that the meme is very funny) too

Thinking political correctness is bad does not necessarily put you in the "political correctness is bad" camp. I think political correctness is often bad, but I am not part of that "camp", i.e. people who irrationally hate things that they use "political correctness" as a broad disparaging label for.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

#157
post #56

His name was "Mads Mikkelsen", like the actor? Either he gave a fake name or this story is made up.

It would be quite a feat for the local paper [1] to interview him without realizing his name was fake!

Mads and Mikkelsen are both common Norwegian names (SSB has >4000 Mads and Mikkelsens individually), and unless his parents were big Refn enthusiasts I don't think they would have been aware of the actor...

[1] https://www.nordlys.no/mads-sin-drommereise-til-usa-spolert-...

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

#158

Does even China does that? Go through pics on your personal device at the border? Refuse entry over memes.

They have never gone through my phone, although I guess if they wanted to nothing would stop them. The immigration agents don't even ask questions most of the time, heck, I don't even here them speak on most of my entries.

China is not worried about who enters. They're worried about who leaves

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

#159

A teacher in school told me about the time they visited East Germany. Armed guards poked though his luggage. It's a slippery slope toward fascism.

East Germany was not a fascist state, it was an explicitly anti-fascist state.

Horribly authoritarian, with wanton disregard for human rights, yes, but not "fascist".

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

#160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Based on decades of experience with my family: it's only political correctness when other people do it. When they do it, it's just common decency, common sense, family values, etc. And as far as the original story, individual border agents should absolutely not be doing this to people because they have a meme on their phone, doubly so one where Vance shared a version of it himself. There is straight up no justificati…

What values does the US represent?

Note that they said "professes to represent" (emphasis mine). What the US professes to represent and what it actually represents for various people aren't totally unrelated, but it's a relationship that's always been pretty fraught.
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