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Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by aniviacat »

onli wrote: post #215
bramhaag wrote: post #141

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In which ways is CalyxOS "better"? This comparison is pretty damning: https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm Calyx is _not_ a hardened OS, and runs on devices with insecure hardware and firmware (like a Fairphone). Additionally, app compatibility suffers because they use microG instead of proper sandboxed Gapps, and also lacks many QoL features that guard against hostile apps (storage scopes, contact scop…

Why would you call the Fairphone an insecure device? It has long update support and can re-lock the bootloader, which is like the one criteria ROMs like that pick as the security feature. What is your attack scenario, what your security criteria here? microG is not a drawback, it's a proper FOSS implementation, which I vastly prefer to running Gapps in a sandbox. App compatibility has been perfect for me. The main cr…

The requirements are detailed on the GrapheneOS website [0].

I think the main issue with FairPhones was lacking a secure element and not receiving (anywhere near) timely firmware updates.

[0] https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by jacek »

msgodel wrote: post #38
jacek wrote: post #32

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> They should switch to an SOC with mainline Linux support so you don't have to throw it out in three years. Starting 20th of June this year (so 3 days ago) every new phone released in European Union will need to have software updates for at least 5 years from the date of the end of placement on the market. This might be the first one released under new regulations. Also looking at Fairphone's history it looks like t…

The problem is that it's not really up to Fairphone. Qualcomm and Google have to collaborate to provide the artifacts that Fairphone packages and signs for their devices. If for any reason they're unable or unwilling to do that there's nothing Fairphone can do. (and they have pretty consistently failed to do this after just a couple years. In the past it sounds like Fairphone has managed to hack around it with varyin…

I agree that the platform should be open. I played with PostmarketOS on one of my old devices and I really wish I could just install Linux on my other devices to make it really usable for the years to come.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by jacek »

snvzz wrote: post #122
jacek wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They should switch to an SOC with mainline Linux support so you don't have to throw it out in three years. Starting 20th of June this year (so 3 days ago) every new phone released in European Union will need to have software updates for at least 5 years from the date of the end of placement on the market. This might be the first one released under new regulations. Also looking at Fairphone's history it looks like t…

I wonder if I am alone in thinking 5yr is way too short. It should be 10, if not 20 years. This is software, not hardware. It is ridiculous to pretend it is ok for a phone to artificially stop being useful after just 5 years simply because the vendor won't give software support or even provide the necessary documentation, source code and keys for the community to do.

True, longer would be better. And if the platform was truly open, we could just treat phone like PCs. You can still install Linux on a 20 year old machine and it will work.

At least this is 5 years from "the end of placement on the market". So more realistically it should be around 7 years from release.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by stiray »

I am still waiting for Fairphone and Graphene OS collaboration. This is match made in heaven.

Any Fairphone/GrapheneOS developer reading this? Just do it, document if something is not secure enough for you, but do it. Nothing to think about, you fit together like hand and a glove and any seconds thoughts are depriving the planet of THE PHONE!

Pick the cash we will throw at you and make second generation with the cpu GrapheneOS wants, that will make the /r/GrapheneOS members eyes shine, drooling and crying of joy at the same time. +throw them in a few hardware switches for camera, mic, connectivity,... disabling. No need to wait to be perfect in first iteration (and due to that craziness and perfectionism will never happen), to gain the possibility to be perfect in second or third.

I would love so much to stop buying Google Pixel phones just to install Graphene OS and protect myself from Google and its ecosystem, it seems so counterproductive.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by Iolaum »

I bought FP4 three years ago and had a decent run with it until an update happened that made my phone unable to connect to my carrier (no calls or internet :( ). After a lot of back and forth with support they admitted that LTE on my country (Greece) was not officially supported ! They did refund me after that admission so I bear them no ill will. I hope they succeed in their mission and if their phone worked for me, I d still be using it.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by 4k93n2 »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #131
snapplebobapple wrote: post #62

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Have you tried phones with it on the power button? That was the best for me by far.

My current phone has that and it's the absolute worst design choice I have ever seen in a phone. It is constantly triggering when I'm trying to lock the screen. I can't understand what the designers at Nokia were thinking, truly awful hardware design.

its probably more of a software issue. ive had 3 phones (sony, samsung) with sensors in the power button and never had a problem

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by Iolaum »

onli wrote: post #6
exabrial wrote: post #4

ahhh I wish GrapheneOS was supported on these!

CalyxOS support Fairphones. It is a better option anyway, also supports bootloader relocking etc.

From a software engineering and security perspective the GrapheneOS team does better work.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by silisili »

godelski wrote: post #7

They mention the Pixel and I just got to say, I wish someone would bring back the fingerprint reader on the back of the phone. That was seriously the best solution. Fastest way to unlock your phone, because no matter how slow the fingerprint reader is you activate it while pulling it out of your pocket. I honestly don't get why people like Face ID more (what I currently use). Someone, please bring this back

It's great for that specific use case.

It's terrible for people who put their phone on their desk, in a stand, or on a wireless charger while they are working.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by codedokode »

planb wrote: post #230
codedokode wrote: post #158

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How you can ensure that your fingerprints are not sent somewhere (and your face model when using Face ID)?

How can you ensure that your phone is not recording you 24/7? It’s called „trust“. Trust in the vendor, trust in independent 3rd parties that would identify such an issue, trust in capitalism because this would certainly be very bad publicity.

I cover the front camera (I don't do video calls anyway). "Trust" in people who live in the other country and cannot even be put in jail seems like a poor choice.
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