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US embassy wants 'every social media username of past five years' for new visas

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Re: US embassy wants 'every social media username of past five years' for new visas

#31

Scary stuff. I don't have social media, but from time to time I would create and delete Facebook/Twitter/Instagram accounts. Never posted anything. Just used them for auth/developer/Marketplace...etc. But I don't know all the logins I used in the past... So if I fail to provide a login to an empty profile, do I get permabanned from the US?

Could you share the definition of social media the excludes HN ?

Re: US embassy wants 'every social media username of past five years' for new visas

#32
post #20

> Omitting social media information could lead to “visa denial and ineligibility” for future visas, the embassy added. The state capture by big tech is getting insane. No national ID because privacy and government overreach but sure force everyone to register an account with a private entity that specifically profits by selling your personal information. I am curious if they'll reject me for not having any active mai…

In the last thread several people mentioned plans like this, even for their kids.

Basically letting people creating astro surfing accounts that only benefit the social media platforms and politics again.

Re: US embassy wants 'every social media username of past five years' for new visas

#33
post #9

I remember that there was such a text box even on ESTA applications several years ago, but it was optional. This article uses the word "required" but it doesn't give a direct quote saying that it truly is mandatory, it reads a bit waffly.

Yes, I last visited the USA in 2019, and my ESTA application included fields to list social media usernames. I thought it was interesting that GitHub was listed as a social media site.

Re: US embassy wants 'every social media username of past five years' for new visas

#34

It seems to me one of the methods of control in oppressive States is to have a multitude of rules, which are impractical to actually adhere to, where failure to adhere provides leverage to State - a "justification" for State to then do whatever it is it decides to do with you (such as deportation without due process).

Play the devil's advocate with me for a bit. Say you let someone in who suicide bombs himself and takes out several Americans. Then a reporter asks the DHS spokesperson how they let someone in the country that had "Death to America" posts all over their social media out in the open for everyone to see but they didn't. Nobody would forgive the government for such a grave oversight. At the airport you already let them…

If the authorities weren't already aware of the identity of the person who posted that, what's stopping somebody with terrorist intentions from simply omitting that account while applying for a visa?

To me, this seems like a grave transgression of privacy with little to no actual safety benefits.

Re: US embassy wants 'every social media username of past five years' for new visas

#35

It seems to me one of the methods of control in oppressive States is to have a multitude of rules, which are impractical to actually adhere to, where failure to adhere provides leverage to State - a "justification" for State to then do whatever it is it decides to do with you (such as deportation without due process).

Play the devil's advocate with me for a bit. Say you let someone in who suicide bombs himself and takes out several Americans. Then a reporter asks the DHS spokesperson how they let someone in the country that had "Death to America" posts all over their social media out in the open for everyone to see but they didn't. Nobody would forgive the government for such a grave oversight. At the airport you already let them…

But the terrorist isn’t going to provide that particular username, nor will he check the “I am intending to harm people” box in the visa process.

So this only provides the government means to oppress and intimidate regular people while having no effect on crime and terror.

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#36
post #14

I think what the US wants is for nobody to visit them any more. For nobody to do trade with them any more. Basically Shogunate Japan?

I think part of the point is to put the squeeze on companies that have been abusing the H1B program in spirit if not by the letter by making it hard for their talent to enter the country easily and giving the executive fairly unilateral right of denial. Though I think this is an ancillary motive.

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Re: US embassy wants 'every social media username of past five years' for new visas

#37
post #14

I think what the US wants is for nobody to visit them any more. For nobody to do trade with them any more. Basically Shogunate Japan?

I think part of the point is to put the squeeze on companies that have been abusing the H1B program in spirit if not by the letter by making it hard for their talent to enter the country easily and giving the executive fairly unilateral right of denial. Though I think this is an ancillary motive.

There are way better ways to squeeze abusers of the H1B program than to roundabout the VISA application like this. This seems to be exclusively targeted at anti-trump people, by punishing them for their free speech.

Re: US embassy wants 'every social media username of past five years' for new visas

#38
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Play the devil's advocate with me for a bit. Say you let someone in who suicide bombs himself and takes out several Americans. Then a reporter asks the DHS spokesperson how they let someone in the country that had "Death to America" posts all over their social media out in the open for everyone to see but they didn't. Nobody would forgive the government for such a grave oversight. At the airport you already let them…

"takes out several Americans" is a Tuesday in the US right now [1]. The main people attacking Americans on American soil are...other Americans. The US has decided to do almost nothing to address the issue. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_...

Motive matters.

Re: US embassy wants 'every social media username of past five years' for new visas

#39
post #13

Haven't these guys heard of the "reciprocity principle"? When I went to Brazil a few years ago, the basic price for a tourist visa was like $25 and could be done online. But, if you were a US citizen, it cost $150 and you had to schedule an attend an interview in person -- because , those were the costs and burdens placed on Brazilian citizens to apply for a US visa. Does the US want other countries inspecting our ci…

Bolivia also has a reciprocity visa charge of $160 for US citizens. Many years ago we were very close to the Bolivian border but the visa cost for a day trip just didn't make it worth it.

Re: US embassy wants 'every social media username of past five years' for new visas

#40

It seems to me one of the methods of control in oppressive States is to have a multitude of rules, which are impractical to actually adhere to, where failure to adhere provides leverage to State - a "justification" for State to then do whatever it is it decides to do with you (such as deportation without due process).

Play the devil's advocate with me for a bit. Say you let someone in who suicide bombs himself and takes out several Americans. Then a reporter asks the DHS spokesperson how they let someone in the country that had "Death to America" posts all over their social media out in the open for everyone to see but they didn't. Nobody would forgive the government for such a grave oversight. At the airport you already let them…

>How's it different to be checking your social media before entering to make sure you're not a threat to the citizens

Since the leading sentence with the devil's advocate, it's hard to presume the post is mostly sarcastic. If not - the inability to see the difference is rather staggering.

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