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Re: The App Store Nightmare

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Post by timc3 »

nirvana wrote: post #28
PythonDeveloper wrote: post #2

Yet another example of Apple idiocy (I'm a former customer, having spent easily $100K on Apple hardware). It became clear to me a year or so ago that Apple is moving in a direction that is anti-developer. At that time I stopped buying their hardware, installed Linux on the Apples I still had, and stopped writing apps for the iPhone. My life has been MUCH easier since then. We really don't need to be spending any more…

I find your last line about forcing people to give you control hilarious since it comes after your (false) claims that another entity was taking control from you. Sounds like you got bit by an ideological bug more than anything else. I'm sure the quality of the AppStore has improved. Frankly, after its success we had far to many people "Switch" because they wanted to get rich quick and pump out really crappy apps pol…

What I am seeing is a large number of developers that have been using platform from before iOS was released growing more and more tired of what is happening from Apple.

I also know the a large percentage of business and developers that have relied on Apple consider Apple a risk, or have been bitten in the past and are actively moving away.

Would give examples. but my business can't afford to upset Apple either.

Re: The App Store Nightmare

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Post by timc3 »

PythonDeveloper wrote: post #2

Yet another example of Apple idiocy (I'm a former customer, having spent easily $100K on Apple hardware). It became clear to me a year or so ago that Apple is moving in a direction that is anti-developer. At that time I stopped buying their hardware, installed Linux on the Apples I still had, and stopped writing apps for the iPhone. My life has been MUCH easier since then. We really don't need to be spending any more…

Adobe apps are the only reason that I stay on the platform right now.

Re: The App Store Nightmare

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Post by timc3 »

josephlord wrote: post #10

I would have thought that he may have rights under Swedish law. I think EU consumer law should allow it to be raised with Apple in Sweden. Practically a proxy in Sweden might be the easiest temporary workaround.

Consumer rights in Sweden are a joke.

Re: The App Store Nightmare

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Post by pash »

X-Istence wrote: post #59
pash wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've done this—I've even added a different rescue address to try to override whatever's in the database—and still get the message, "Your Apple ID cannot be the same as your rescue email address." ... Totally inexplicable.

I just went through the steps and was able to switch my email address without issues... Do you have your backup email address in use on another Apple account?

No. That's the separate "it's impossible to merge accounts" point. (I have four separate Apple IDs for two countries.)

A lot of the bizarro stuff going on here, I think, is because accounts with different histories (e.g., what service they originated with) are still handled differently behind the scenes. It makes no sense, but things really do seem to be path-dependent.

Re: The App Store Nightmare

#65

Post by bwooce »

bzbarsky wrote: post #49
jasomill wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So use a poste restante billing address, then, and never change it. Last I checked, picking up one's mail on a regular basis is not required by iTunes Ts and Cs, nor must a credit card remain on file to keep an iTunes account active.

> nor must a credit card remain on file to keep an iTunes > account active. There is no way to delete credit card information from an Apple Store account, that I see. If you know of one, please do let me know!

There is, although via iTunes and it is a little subtle. It may also depend on your country (but Australia and Peru work).

1. In iTunes, go to your account (iTune Stores, then click on top right login name assuming you're logged in). 2. Edit your Payment information 3. Choose CC type of "None" 4. Save

It is a desirable thing to do if you expect children will be using your iDevices -- the password doesn't stop them buying more $$ stuff after you've just authorised them buying something for free. And I'm assuming you didn't type your password in front of them...

Re: The App Store Nightmare

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Post by PythonDeveloper »

nirvana wrote: post #28
PythonDeveloper wrote: post #2

Yet another example of Apple idiocy (I'm a former customer, having spent easily $100K on Apple hardware). It became clear to me a year or so ago that Apple is moving in a direction that is anti-developer. At that time I stopped buying their hardware, installed Linux on the Apples I still had, and stopped writing apps for the iPhone. My life has been MUCH easier since then. We really don't need to be spending any more…

I find your last line about forcing people to give you control hilarious since it comes after your (false) claims that another entity was taking control from you. Sounds like you got bit by an ideological bug more than anything else. I'm sure the quality of the AppStore has improved. Frankly, after its success we had far to many people "Switch" because they wanted to get rich quick and pump out really crappy apps pol…

I won't go into trying to get you to see my side, it's clear you can't see anything but the bright shiny world of Steve.

When a company demands 30% of your revenue, even for portions not related to the app, and moves on to a track where developers will be forced to have a cert embedded into their app to be on the platform or be blocked, they ARE practicing evil.

It wasn't Apple that built their customer base, it was the developers who wrote the apps that brought the customers. Without the applications on the platform, Apple would be just like Blackberry, dead.

Now that Apple starts putting all these hurdles in place, like kicking apps because they release their own app in a segment (and disallow ANY competition), despite the fact that an app in that segment has been there for years, it's clear that they are more interested in earnings than building a foundation for developers to earn real incomes.

Just back in May, Apple killed a bunch of apps that used the Dropbox API because they considered it an undocumented or third party API. WTF?? The truth is, Apple didn't want competition with their shitty iCloud service, so they limited what developers could do for their own benefit. One example of THOUSANDS out there.

That doesn't even take into consideration Apple's insistence on NOT allowing any sort of metrics on unique installs.

If you made T-Shirts and a chain said, "just give us the shirts, and we'll tell you how many we sell", YOU would probably do it, but I sure wouldn't.

Apple could be skimming revenues from developers as we speak, and there's really no way to know, since we're not allowed to use any static identifier on the phone to lock the app to a subscriber.

Re: The App Store Nightmare

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Post by mortenjorck »

timc3 wrote: post #63
josephlord wrote: post #10

I would have thought that he may have rights under Swedish law. I think EU consumer law should allow it to be raised with Apple in Sweden. Practically a proxy in Sweden might be the easiest temporary workaround.

Consumer rights in Sweden are a joke.

They can't be worse than in the US, right?

Re: The App Store Nightmare

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Post by misterbee »

w1ntermute wrote: post #8

> So this leaves me with the following options: > 1. Completely nuke my machine, create a new US Apple account and repurchase everything (yeah, right) > 2. Pay $49 to have Apple Support look into the issue > 3. Give up and use Linux (I hear Windows 8 will have a locked-down App store too) As a Linux user, the fact that Apple developers are seriously considering moving to Linux makes me very excited. If even 1% of the…

It's just grandstanding. You can't get your favorite TV shows or apps on Linux.

Re: The App Store Nightmare

#69

Post by misterbee »

Claudus wrote: post #32

Every time I read another news article about Apple's crippling DRM systems, I am reminded of the words from their 1984 commercial... "Today, we celebrate the first glorious anniversary of the Information Purification Directives. We have created, for the first time in all history, a garden of pure ideology – where each worker may bloom, secure from the pests purveying contradictory truths. Our Unification of Thoughts…

You can't say they ran a bait-and-switch or anything; they laid out their plans right at the start. Viewers were confused about which character in the commercial represented Apple...

Re: The App Store Nightmare

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Post by nowarninglabel »

misterbee wrote: post #68
w1ntermute wrote: post #8

> So this leaves me with the following options: > 1. Completely nuke my machine, create a new US Apple account and repurchase everything (yeah, right) > 2. Pay $49 to have Apple Support look into the issue > 3. Give up and use Linux (I hear Windows 8 will have a locked-down App store too) As a Linux user, the fact that Apple developers are seriously considering moving to Linux makes me very excited. If even 1% of the…

It's just grandstanding. You can't get your favorite TV shows or apps on Linux.

I'm able to watch shows just fine using Amazon Instant on Linux. What makes you think this isn't possible?
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