Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

I can't make this stuff up

plus.google.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

121–130 of 190 posts

Re: I can't make this stuff up

#121

Post by KirinDave »

Z3UX wrote: post #108

I'm sorry for my honest comment but this just proves what some people over the world thinks: Americans are dumb! =X

I hope you understand why you are going to be aggressively downmodded, and it's not because of any nationalism. It's because this sort of comment is beneath the basic standards of cordiality in any serious discussion, even in a forum as notoriously crass as this one. Not to mention it adds nothing to the discussion of substance, having even less impact than "Me too!"

What's more, it's not even fair. Indeed, the entire point of this trial was for Apple to make a case that consumers are confused in America. So you can't really accept the verdict of this case and then say this is implausible or "Americans are stupid." If Apple is right, then Samsung has engaged in deliberate deception. If Samsung is right, then it's not unreasonable to ask if Apple actually has been overcharging people off on phones dictated by basic design principles.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

#122

Post by sigzero »

bpatrianakos wrote: post #48

Even if this is a true story, it isn't the lawsuit that made people think this. What makes people think that Apple products and Samsung products are the same is the fact that Samsung intentionally ripped them off to get exactly that. Apple did not do this. Samsung did and the lawsuit was so they could stop it. If this story is true, which it kind of sounds like it isn't, then the only reason people are being vocal ab…

That title of the is all wrong. How do you deduce "consumers" from one conversation at Starbucks. That is wishful Android fanboyism at its finest.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

#123

Post by bpatrianakos »

sigzero wrote: post #122
bpatrianakos wrote: post #48

Even if this is a true story, it isn't the lawsuit that made people think this. What makes people think that Apple products and Samsung products are the same is the fact that Samsung intentionally ripped them off to get exactly that. Apple did not do this. Samsung did and the lawsuit was so they could stop it. If this story is true, which it kind of sounds like it isn't, then the only reason people are being vocal ab…

That title of the is all wrong. How do you deduce "consumers" from one conversation at Starbucks. That is wishful Android fanboyism at its finest.

What is fanboyism? Really, I'm serious. I don't think such a thing exists. I think it's all people who don't get why other people value product X explaining it away with the fanboyism argument. I don't mean to detract or disagree because that was my first reaction but when I got to thinking about it I realized that I could easily be labelled a fanboy. I don't want that argument used against me so I won't use it against someone else anymore. There's some kind of weird jealousy or something going on there but its also much more. I haven't quite nailed it yet but I think saying someone or some view is a "fanboy" is a lazy argument now.

But I secretly agree. But please ignore that last sentence.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

#125

Post by veemjeem »

edanm wrote: post #69

So a while ago, I had this thought: "It's pretty obvious that the casual user will buy iPhones and not Galaxies. After all, Apple works very hard to make iPhones perfect for the casual user, and all of the goodiness that comes from having a more open phone is meaningless for the casual user". A little later, as more and more people I knew gravitated towards the Galaxies, I realized the flaw in this thinking - the ave…

Lots of non-tech users have no clue about the difference between an ipad and a galaxy tablet -- the only thing they know to differentiate is the price. Samsung makes their stores identical to Apple (they even have an equivalent genius bar -- they're called smart tutors in the samsung store), so when the average joe walks into a Samsung store, they think they're just buying a cheaper Apple product.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

#126

Post by AndrewKemendo »

nirvana wrote: post #110
paulgb wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The comment was made about an iOS device, which it is more applicable too. Apple has a monopoly on legit iOS App distribution, where Android tablets and phones can install apps from the wild. It may sound like a small point, but the feeling that I didn't own my iPhone is a big reason I prefer Android.

> Apple has a monopoly on legit iOS App distribution, I know why you think that, but you're missing that there is a completely legitimate app distribution mechanism outside the AppStore. You can install (and distribute) whatever apps you want for iOS devices, and users can download them from the web and install them on the device. And I'm not talking about jailbreaking. Since the first day the iPhone has shipped, you…

Do you have any reference material or documentation for developing the javascript way? As a fairly new dev I would be interested in seeing that process as most of my "distribute outside of app store on ios" queries to the web say without jailbreaking, its impossible.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

#127

Post by terrble »

nirvana wrote: post #110
paulgb wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The comment was made about an iOS device, which it is more applicable too. Apple has a monopoly on legit iOS App distribution, where Android tablets and phones can install apps from the wild. It may sound like a small point, but the feeling that I didn't own my iPhone is a big reason I prefer Android.

> Apple has a monopoly on legit iOS App distribution, I know why you think that, but you're missing that there is a completely legitimate app distribution mechanism outside the AppStore. You can install (and distribute) whatever apps you want for iOS devices, and users can download them from the web and install them on the device. And I'm not talking about jailbreaking. Since the first day the iPhone has shipped, you…

> Since the first day the iPhone has shipped, you've been able to download and install apps built with javascript from anywhere on the web.

Wow. I had no idea. I found a detailed HOWTO http://matt.might.net/articles/how-to-native-iphone-ipad-app...

Re: I can't make this stuff up

#129

Post by sliverstorm »

sigzero wrote: post #122
bpatrianakos wrote: post #48

Even if this is a true story, it isn't the lawsuit that made people think this. What makes people think that Apple products and Samsung products are the same is the fact that Samsung intentionally ripped them off to get exactly that. Apple did not do this. Samsung did and the lawsuit was so they could stop it. If this story is true, which it kind of sounds like it isn't, then the only reason people are being vocal ab…

That title of the is all wrong. How do you deduce "consumers" from one conversation at Starbucks. That is wishful Android fanboyism at its finest.

Anecdotes are not data, etc, etc, but:

I'm writing this post after the FOURTH group of Starbucks patrons...

That's starting to suggest a trend.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

#130

Post by deno »

ricardobeat wrote: post #104
Zak wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if the appearance of say... an iPad and a Galaxy tablet are very similar, I don't think it's fair to call the Galaxy a ripoff. That basic design is just where the industry was headed. Case in point: the Crunchpad was announced nearly two years before the iPad and has a nearly identical design.

The original version did not look like an iPad at all ( http://www.slashgear.com/crunchpad-200-web-tablet-gets-secon... ), it got more similar on later revisions.

That’s dishonest. It’s a development prototype. Here’s a good overview and timeline:

http://www.nikcub.com/posts/crunchpad-proof-obviousness-in-i...

Post reply on HN