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Re: Facebook Designing New Campus

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Post by staunch » Sun, Aug 26, 2012, 12:20 AM UTC

aristus wrote: post #14

staunch wrote: post #9

Every time I'm reminded of just how many programmers Facebook has it bothers me that he missed such a cool opportunity. He gets programming better than probably any BigCo tech CEO and yet he made the same damn mistake of hiring thousands upon thousands of programmers instead of just getting the 10X Programmers and having 1/10th as many while paying them 2x as much. Imagine if the budget for this 5000 person building…

Not sure what you are complaining about here. :) Facebook has 1/4 the number of employees Yahoo has and less than 1/16 that of Google. It's smaller than my high school.

They'll get just as big unless they make a conscious decision to avoid it.

Re: Facebook Designing New Campus

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Post by staunch » Sun, Aug 26, 2012, 12:24 AM UTC

anamax wrote: post #34

staunch wrote: post #9

Every time I'm reminded of just how many programmers Facebook has it bothers me that he missed such a cool opportunity. He gets programming better than probably any BigCo tech CEO and yet he made the same damn mistake of hiring thousands upon thousands of programmers instead of just getting the 10X Programmers and having 1/10th as many while paying them 2x as much. Imagine if the budget for this 5000 person building…

> He gets programming better than probably any BigCo tech CEO and yet he made the same damn mistake of hiring thousands upon thousands of programmers instead of just getting the 10X Programmers and having 1/10th as many while paying them 2x as much. What makes you think that Facebook doesn't hire every 10x programmer it can? What makes you think that Google doesn't? After they hire every 10x programmer they can, what…

Of course they hire 10X programmers, but they also hire 1X programmers. I'm suggesting that they could only hire 10X programmers and pay them 2X more. Twice the industry salary (~$250k/yr), nothing but 10X programmers, and an amazing campus would make Facebook unbelievably desirable for most programmers. Not even Google or Apple could compete because they still hire massive numbers of 1X programmers.

Re: Facebook Designing New Campus

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Post by anamax » Mon, Aug 27, 2012, 6:30 AM UTC

staunch wrote: post #52

anamax wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He gets programming better than probably any BigCo tech CEO and yet he made the same damn mistake of hiring thousands upon thousands of programmers instead of just getting the 10X Programmers and having 1/10th as many while paying them 2x as much. What makes you think that Facebook doesn't hire every 10x programmer it can? What makes you think that Google doesn't? After they hire every 10x programmer they can, what…

Of course they hire 10X programmers, but they also hire 1X programmers. I'm suggesting that they could only hire 10X programmers and pay them 2X more. Twice the industry salary (~$250k/yr), nothing but 10X programmers, and an amazing campus would make Facebook unbelievably desirable for most programmers. Not even Google or Apple could compete because they still hire massive numbers of 1X programmers.

> I'm suggesting that they could only hire 10X programmers and pay them 2X more.

Why do you think that Google/Apple/Facebook don't pay 10X programmers >2X more?

In my experience, admittedly at other companies, the 10X programmers do make a lot more. Yet there's still more work and more money to spend. What should they do with that work and money?

You're making a lot of claims about salary structures. Where are you getting your information?

What software engineering organizations do you have experience with?

I ask because I'm beginning to suspect that your actual knowledge in this area is even less than that of the typical Harvard Business Review author....