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Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by paulgb »

Zirro wrote: post #77
alberich wrote: post #70

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I always wonder if this is what they call the reality distortion effect. You get what you pay for? Long time ago I had an ibook g4. Supposedly it was very nice back then, and very pricey too. However, after playing with it sometime, it just looked cute. Overpriced and cute. Apple products are a jail that looks very nice, but its a jail anyway. Now I have an IPad (don't remember the generation) because my job. It is s…

"Apple products are a jail that looks very nice, but its a jail anyway." Please clarify this. I don't feel more restricted with my MacBook Pro than I did with my old Lenovo-laptop. In what way was it a jail to you?

The comment was made about an iOS device, which it is more applicable too. Apple has a monopoly on legit iOS App distribution, where Android tablets and phones can install apps from the wild.

It may sound like a small point, but the feeling that I didn't own my iPhone is a big reason I prefer Android.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by shinratdr »

simplexion wrote: post #76
shinratdr wrote: post #54

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Definitely, everyone who has bothered to say this to me about their Android phone actually does little to nothing with the phone. Certainly nothing that takes advantage of the screen. I do constantly see people using those Galaxy Notes with the S Pen and two hands at all times. Seems like a big step backwards to me. Not only can I do everything a phone with a bigger screen can do, but I can do it with one hand.

Small hands?

Not giant hands.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by css771 »

shinratdr wrote: post #59
Tmmrn wrote: post #16

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> just like the PC fanatics revel in talking about how amazing Windows is, Hm, let's see. You could probably say I am a PC fanatic. "Personal Computer". I don't really care if the PC is from Samsung, Dell, Lenovo or Apple. I don't think Windows is amazing. It's ok as long as it is supported by much 3rd party software. I personally would chose linux anytime I am not forced by some proprietary (quasi-) monopoly softwar…

> Try comparing them with software freedom in mind and tell me how again the devices running android lose vs apple devices. OK. Every app worth getting for an Android device, I can get via the iOS App Store. Everything that requires a rooted or unlocked Android device, I can get via jailbreaking. I'm not an OS developer so I'm not going to be contributing patches back to AOSP. The vast majority of Android devices are…

Except that the vast majority of Android devices are not bootloader locked (Almost all samsung phones are sold unlocked, HTC provides an after-market unlock tool for most phones, Motorola recently started doing so). Besides, even if an Android phone is bootloader locked, you can actually do more on it than on an iphone.

And also, you dont have to contribute patches back to aosp to appreciate software freedom. How about building and running your own kernel on your phone. Is that something you would be interested in? Most Android phones can do that.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by [deleted] »

esolyt wrote: post #78
shinratdr wrote: post #68

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That all depends on what's running on the screen. I find browsing on my iPhone much faster and more responsive on my iPhone vs my friends Android devices. I browse the web on my phone constantly. I still wouldn't rather a bigger screen at the expense of all the other benefits of a compact phone like one handed usage. I resent the implication that I'm not a power user or I don't really browse the web just because I pr…

No, I definitely wasn't trying to imply anything like that about any iPhone user. I'm sure you are a power user and you regularly browse the web with your iPhone. But this doesn't mean you wouldn't have a better browsing experience with a 1280x720 resolution and a larger screen. I don't want this to turn into a typical iPhone vs Android forum dicussion, so I'm not really going to say anything else. But browsing on a…

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Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by shinratdr »

esolyt wrote: post #78
shinratdr wrote: post #68

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That all depends on what's running on the screen. I find browsing on my iPhone much faster and more responsive on my iPhone vs my friends Android devices. I browse the web on my phone constantly. I still wouldn't rather a bigger screen at the expense of all the other benefits of a compact phone like one handed usage. I resent the implication that I'm not a power user or I don't really browse the web just because I pr…

No, I definitely wasn't trying to imply anything like that about any iPhone user. I'm sure you are a power user and you regularly browse the web with your iPhone. But this doesn't mean you wouldn't have a better browsing experience with a 1280x720 resolution and a larger screen. I don't want this to turn into a typical iPhone vs Android forum dicussion, so I'm not really going to say anything else. But browsing on a…

> I don't want this to turn into a typical iPhone vs Android forum dicussion, so I'm not really going to say anything else.

I agree, but I can't let this stand as implied fact.

> But browsing on a high-end Android phone (like Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy S3, One X, Xperia S) will be significantly faster than iPhone 4S.

My comparison was to a Galaxy Nexus running Chrome. Is it fast? Yes. I personally don't find it as fast and responsive as a 4S though. Just throwing power at Android doesn't solve the responsiveness issues it still has in ICS.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by axxl »

paulgb wrote: post #81
Zirro wrote: post #77

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"Apple products are a jail that looks very nice, but its a jail anyway." Please clarify this. I don't feel more restricted with my MacBook Pro than I did with my old Lenovo-laptop. In what way was it a jail to you?

The comment was made about an iOS device, which it is more applicable too. Apple has a monopoly on legit iOS App distribution, where Android tablets and phones can install apps from the wild. It may sound like a small point, but the feeling that I didn't own my iPhone is a big reason I prefer Android.

Long time ago I had an ibook g4. Supposedly it was very nice back then, and very pricey too. However, after playing with it sometime, it just looked cute. Overpriced and cute. Apple products are a jail that looks very nice, but its a jail anyway.

He comments first about the laptops. About laptops before the Mac App Store even...

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by epistasis »

pooriaazimi wrote: post #80
Zirro wrote: post #77

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"Apple products are a jail that looks very nice, but its a jail anyway." Please clarify this. I don't feel more restricted with my MacBook Pro than I did with my old Lenovo-laptop. In what way was it a jail to you?

Come on... You know what he's going to say. What's the point of asking? It just wastes yours and his/hers time.

I honestly don't know what he's going to say, or how he thought it was a jail, and would like to know.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by Zirro »

paulgb wrote: post #81
Zirro wrote: post #77

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"Apple products are a jail that looks very nice, but its a jail anyway." Please clarify this. I don't feel more restricted with my MacBook Pro than I did with my old Lenovo-laptop. In what way was it a jail to you?

The comment was made about an iOS device, which it is more applicable too. Apple has a monopoly on legit iOS App distribution, where Android tablets and phones can install apps from the wild. It may sound like a small point, but the feeling that I didn't own my iPhone is a big reason I prefer Android.

I can agree with it in the case of an iOS-device, but in this case he said "Long time ago I had an ibook g4".

I am starting to get pretty tired of hearing that the products I use every day for professional work are toys, that I gave up my freedom to use them and worship Apple etc etc.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by shinratdr »

Tmmrn wrote: post #67
shinratdr wrote: post #59

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> Try comparing them with software freedom in mind and tell me how again the devices running android lose vs apple devices. OK. Every app worth getting for an Android device, I can get via the iOS App Store. Everything that requires a rooted or unlocked Android device, I can get via jailbreaking. I'm not an OS developer so I'm not going to be contributing patches back to AOSP. The vast majority of Android devices are…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software_movement#Philosop...

I'm aware of the FSF. That happens to be one extremely narrow-minded definition software freedom. It's not everyone's. If your point is "I only buy devices that are open in the eyes of the FSF" then say that.

You didn't though, you said "software freedom" and in practice iOS provides plenty of software freedom. It just doesn't reach the unrealistic standard of the FSF.

Neither does Android frankly, but at least with AOSP it's closer.

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