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Re: Miguel de Icaza on Samsung v Apple

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Post by Newky »

gcp wrote: post #10
Newky wrote: post #8

This is slightly off topic, but I don't really understand Miguel de Icaza. He is a "free software programmer" according to Wikipedia, and I really value his contributions to both the GNOME and MONO projects. I am not trying to in anyway put down his acheivements but his comments on social media (G+ and twitter) are often about ordering truckloads of Apple products. Was there a falling out with the Gnome project or wh…

People can contribute to Free Software without holding mindsets that are so extreme in one end as those of rms. Perhaps de Icaza has just gradually shifted his views to the other end.

I completely agree, I have just read that Icaza was awarded the "Advancement of Open Source Software" a while back. I'm just curious as someone who has made such commitments to the open source and also to the Linux eco system, can use another platform so enthusiastically.

Re: Miguel de Icaza on Samsung v Apple

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Post by i386 »

Newky wrote: post #11
gcp wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People can contribute to Free Software without holding mindsets that are so extreme in one end as those of rms. Perhaps de Icaza has just gradually shifted his views to the other end.

I completely agree, I have just read that Icaza was awarded the "Advancement of Open Source Software" a while back. I'm just curious as someone who has made such commitments to the open source and also to the Linux eco system, can use another platform so enthusiastically.

Since when does becoming an advocate for open source make that advocacy exclusive?

Re: Miguel de Icaza on Samsung v Apple

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Post by i386 »

gcp wrote: post #10
Newky wrote: post #8

This is slightly off topic, but I don't really understand Miguel de Icaza. He is a "free software programmer" according to Wikipedia, and I really value his contributions to both the GNOME and MONO projects. I am not trying to in anyway put down his acheivements but his comments on social media (G+ and twitter) are often about ordering truckloads of Apple products. Was there a falling out with the Gnome project or wh…

People can contribute to Free Software without holding mindsets that are so extreme in one end as those of rms. Perhaps de Icaza has just gradually shifted his views to the other end.

I don't think there has been any shift for him at all. Ive always found his views on things refreshingly pragmatic.

Re: Miguel de Icaza on Samsung v Apple

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Post by Newky »

i386 wrote: post #12
Newky wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I completely agree, I have just read that Icaza was awarded the "Advancement of Open Source Software" a while back. I'm just curious as someone who has made such commitments to the open source and also to the Linux eco system, can use another platform so enthusiastically.

Since when does becoming an advocate for open source make that advocacy exclusive?

Thats not what I'm saying nor am I criticizing him for it. From prior experience, when I make something I can use on a daily basis, I would find it hard to use something different.

Also being an advocate for open source software would make it more difficult to transfer to being a closed source software user. I'm not saying its not possible or wrong, I just feel his case is a curious one.

He is effectively a self proclaimed Apple fanboy on Twitter etc, and I would like to know more about the circumstances.

Re: Miguel de Icaza on Samsung v Apple

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Post by quonn »

Newky wrote: post #8

This is slightly off topic, but I don't really understand Miguel de Icaza. He is a "free software programmer" according to Wikipedia, and I really value his contributions to both the GNOME and MONO projects. I am not trying to in anyway put down his acheivements but his comments on social media (G+ and twitter) are often about ordering truckloads of Apple products. Was there a falling out with the Gnome project or wh…

MonoTouch and Mono for Android are they main reason, that Mono is in such a good shape, after the near death experience when Novell fell apart. Both products are the primary source of income for most people working on Mono and both products would not stand a chance if open source. Why? Because they target developers (who can compile their shit from sources) and open sourcing them completely would remove any incentive to pay. (And no, selling support would not generate significant income.) The core (Mono, MonoDevelop and MonoMac, which is very similiar to MonoTouch) are already open source. Open sourcing the rest would probably kill Xamarin and take half of Mono down with it.

On a different note, I disagree with Miguels opinion regarding patents. I also think that he has shifted slightly on the political spectrum over the last decade (a small movement towards the center from the far left), as well as that of software politics. He has always been pragmatic, though and even now, I think, his moderate opposition is a good reminder to somtimes step out of the echo chamber and avoid the mistake of falling into extremist views.

Re: Miguel de Icaza on Samsung v Apple

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Post by jccc »

gcp wrote: post #9
Someone wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Are there any android products that aren't currently "in trouble"?" Apple's message is that it only pursued Samsung because they so blatantly copied them. I think they have a good point on the copying part; IMO, it was more than 'being inspired by the iPad'. Only time will tell whether the former is true. And yes, I agree that it would be better if patents on how things look and feel would not have played a role in…

Apple's message is that it only pursued Samsung because they so blatantly copied them. That's what they say, but realistically Samsung is the most successful Android vendor and thus the biggest threat to Apple. The lawsuit found the Nexus S to be at fault. That's a device running vanilla Android, co-developed with Google. Let's not pretend this is "only" about Samsung's designs vs Apple's designs. They won win patent…

> That's what they say, but realistically Samsung is the most successful Android vendor and thus the biggest threat to Apple.

I think it would be helpful to consider how it is that Samsung became the most successful Android vendor.

Re: Miguel de Icaza on Samsung v Apple

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Post by radarsat1 »

darkestkhan wrote: post #5
mrich wrote: post #2

A sane voice. Trademark/copyright is enough to protect your product, only in rare cases should a patent be awarded for an algorithm (think RSA).

There shouldn't be any patents for algorithms - algorithms are math, and math is not patentable.

Mechanical diagrams are also math.

Re: Miguel de Icaza on Samsung v Apple

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Post by esolyt »

gcp wrote: post #9
Someone wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Are there any android products that aren't currently "in trouble"?" Apple's message is that it only pursued Samsung because they so blatantly copied them. I think they have a good point on the copying part; IMO, it was more than 'being inspired by the iPad'. Only time will tell whether the former is true. And yes, I agree that it would be better if patents on how things look and feel would not have played a role in…

Apple's message is that it only pursued Samsung because they so blatantly copied them. That's what they say, but realistically Samsung is the most successful Android vendor and thus the biggest threat to Apple. The lawsuit found the Nexus S to be at fault. That's a device running vanilla Android, co-developed with Google. Let's not pretend this is "only" about Samsung's designs vs Apple's designs. They won win patent…

Yes. Not only Nexus S was found to be at fault, Apple is also going after the Galaxy Nexus. Icaza disappointed me because when people started pointing these out in the comments, he deleted them and turned off commenting to the post.

Re: Miguel de Icaza on Samsung v Apple

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Post by bornhuetter »

jccc wrote: post #16
gcp wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple's message is that it only pursued Samsung because they so blatantly copied them. That's what they say, but realistically Samsung is the most successful Android vendor and thus the biggest threat to Apple. The lawsuit found the Nexus S to be at fault. That's a device running vanilla Android, co-developed with Google. Let's not pretend this is "only" about Samsung's designs vs Apple's designs. They won win patent…

> That's what they say, but realistically Samsung is the most successful Android vendor and thus the biggest threat to Apple. I think it would be helpful to consider how it is that Samsung became the most successful Android vendor.

By making great phones. Lets not pretend here that Samsung copying the sunflower icon for the photo app and having a connector that looks like the apple one had a major impact on anyone's sales.

Edit: downvotes... you guys honestly think that the reason why Samsung has been successful is because of touchwiz? Most people don't even like Samsung's modifications to stock Android. It was stupid of them to make the changes they did, and they deserve a fine, but it certainly didn't help them much in terms of sales.

Re: Miguel de Icaza on Samsung v Apple

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Post by bratsche »

Newky wrote: post #11
gcp wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People can contribute to Free Software without holding mindsets that are so extreme in one end as those of rms. Perhaps de Icaza has just gradually shifted his views to the other end.

I completely agree, I have just read that Icaza was awarded the "Advancement of Open Source Software" a while back. I'm just curious as someone who has made such commitments to the open source and also to the Linux eco system, can use another platform so enthusiastically.

He still contributes open source all the time. He's just not an open source fanatic. He'll use an Apple because it's a nice computer, and he'll write open source on it.

I used to be a Gnome contributor as well, I worked on Ubuntu at Canonical. Now I use a Mac. Does that mean I'm not allowed to work on open source now?

It's not a fucking religion.

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