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Show HN: TrendFi – I built AI trading signals that self-optimize

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Hey HN,

For the past few years, I've been obsessed with trying to get AI to produce accurate trading signals. The main challenges I found with AI trading models are lack of consistency, context window bottlenecks, hard to backtest, and high cost.

Asking ChatGPT "Should I buy Bitcoin today?" doesn't work well because the LLM doesnt have a set trading strategy to opperate from. In addition, the small context window makes it challenging to fit enough historical data into. Not to mention it gets very expensive as well.

My solution is a hybrid approach. Instead of having the LLM make direct predictions, I use AI as the "conductor" in the system that has the ability to run a series of backtesting simulations on high thread count AMD EPYC servers.

The AI then processes the results, identifies optimal parameter changes, and can self-optimize after every trade (as needed) to adapt to changing market conditions. This setup uses LLMs for high-level reasoning and CPU cores for what they do best.

I should mention that TrendFi is designed as a trend based model. It's not for day trading or catching every small market fluctuation. Its goal is to accurately identify major trend changes and provide clear alerts for those key moments.

Check it out: https://trend.fi

– Michael

Show HN: TrendFi – I built AI trading signals that self-optimize
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Re: Show HN: TrendFi – I built AI trading signals that self-optimize

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The market is a battlefield of adversaries. For someone to cash out on a signal profitably, the others have to get less. A signal system is then easily abused by the signal maker who takes a position before hustling a bunch of people to take it. Or it is abused by a hedge fund or market maker who does the same and raises spreads on you when you are trying to make trades, etc.

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The usual response applies: if you have profitable trading signals, why would you sell it? Every time you sell a copy, that makes it less effective.

Usually, the reason is you lack capital to trade on your signals yourself.

Re: Show HN: TrendFi – I built AI trading signals that self-optimize

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The usual response applies: if you have profitable trading signals, why would you sell it? Every time you sell a copy, that makes it less effective.

Most trading signals aim to exploit a secret edge. A temporary market inefficiency. The value is in the secret itself. Once you sell the secret, the small window of opportunity is competed away almost instantly.

Trend based models are different. The "secret" isn't a secret at all. Think of a trend based trading strategy more as a disciplined methodology. Trend based models follow price and attempt to identify as early as possible when an asset flips from bearish to bullish.

Therefore, selling our model wont destroy the underlying trend, especially in highly liquid assets, such as: SPX, BTC, etc.

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The market is a battlefield of adversaries. For someone to cash out on a signal profitably, the others have to get less. A signal system is then easily abused by the signal maker who takes a position before hustling a bunch of people to take it. Or it is abused by a hedge fund or market maker who does the same and raises spreads on you when you are trying to make trades, etc.

That's a fair concern.

Because TrendFi is a trend based model, the signals are not for HFT or day trading. Instead, we identify major market shifts that play out over weeks or months. This long timeframe means the signals are less vulnerable to the immediate front running or spread manipulation that plagues short-term signals.

Also, the AI's ability to self optimize after trades means the underlying parameters are not static. If external players were to try and consistently game the signals, the system is designed to adapt to those new dynamics.

Re: Show HN: TrendFi – I built AI trading signals that self-optimize

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I'm very skeptical of systems that claim to help with trading signals. Primarily because if you had a system, then you would use it yourself. Trading is pretty much a zero sum game especially when it comes to signals. If you had a profitable signal and you publicized it, it would disappear almost immediately.

If your performance is correct and you're getting 200% per year, why sell the sauce for $20 a month?

I would just post the historical and open trades. Charge a subscription if you want to get exactly when you're selling them, otherwise release them on a few week lag to incentivize subscription. But give the rest away for free as you want others to pile in to your trade.

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The usual response applies: if you have profitable trading signals, why would you sell it? Every time you sell a copy, that makes it less effective.

Most trading signals aim to exploit a secret edge. A temporary market inefficiency. The value is in the secret itself. Once you sell the secret, the small window of opportunity is competed away almost instantly. Trend based models are different. The "secret" isn't a secret at all. Think of a trend based trading strategy more as a disciplined methodology. Trend based models follow price and attempt to identify as earl…

This doesn't make as much sense as you think it does. If you could predictably trade a flip from bearish to bullish (for example, of course there are other trend-based signals), you would not share that signal because others would overcrowd your trade (by buying/shorting and moving the price more quickly towards the trending direction than you).

A potential argument is that these signals are only applicable to a certain bracket of portfolio sizes (e.g. larger AUM funds would not be able to trade this strategy) -- but you are sharing this with folks presumably in your range of portfolio size.

Re: Show HN: TrendFi – I built AI trading signals that self-optimize

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The usual response applies: if you have profitable trading signals, why would you sell it? Every time you sell a copy, that makes it less effective.

Usually, the reason is you lack capital to trade on your signals yourself.

Seems like you could build the capital fairly quickly if your system works. And you should be able to have people invest in you if you show results.
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