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Framework Laptop 12 review

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Re: Framework Laptop 12 review

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Post by bryanlarsen »

browningstreet wrote: post #3
dima55 wrote: post #2

Is there a single person in the world that LIKES the half-height up/down keys?

..as much as the CTRL key being moved to the wrong place. (Yes, I could map this elsewhere, but I use too many different machines.)

On keyboards with a sane layout, the ctrl key can be pressed with the meat of your hand rather than one of the fingers. This is harder on a laptop keyboard than it is with a proper desktop keyboard, but is still possible.

... as long as the keyboard has the proper layout, with ctrl in the far bottom left. One thing that Apple gets wrong and this keyboard gets right.

Re: Framework Laptop 12 review

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Post by pengaru »

Maybe I'm just not the target market, but I wouldn't pay even half the asking price for this.

If I'm going to throw money away on overpriced underpowered laptops it's going to mnt's pockets. At least that's trying to be open hardware (reform).

Re: Framework Laptop 12 review

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Post by criddell »

Is it unreasonable to think Framework should be able to make a laptop competitive with the 5 years old MacBook Air M1? I get that Framework focuses on making repairable machines, but does that prevent them from making a fanless, hi dpi, good performing, long battery life machine?

I wouldn’t expect parity with an M4 machine, but it doesn’t seem unreasonable to think they should be competitive with the much older M1.

I have the same complaint with Lenovo (I usually buy ThinkPads). Where are the fast, fanless, hidpi, long battery life laptops?

Re: Framework Laptop 12 review

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Post by soco »

gonzalohm wrote: post #9
browningstreet wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

..as much as the CTRL key being moved to the wrong place. (Yes, I could map this elsewhere, but I use too many different machines.)

What do you mean? Most laptops have Ctrl | Fn | windows | alt Which matches what one should expect from a desktop keyboard (Ctrl is the left-most key)

If most laptops = HP then yes. However my Lenovo has Fn | Ctrl...

Re: Framework Laptop 12 review

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Post by femiagbabiaka »

criddell wrote: post #14

Is it unreasonable to think Framework should be able to make a laptop competitive with the 5 years old MacBook Air M1? I get that Framework focuses on making repairable machines, but does that prevent them from making a fanless, hi dpi, good performing, long battery life machine? I wouldn’t expect parity with an M4 machine, but it doesn’t seem unreasonable to think they should be competitive with the much older M1. I…

Competitive along which lines? Performance, yes, impossible. Battery life? Yes, impossible. Anything else? Definitely!

Re: Framework Laptop 12 review

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Post by EvanAnderson »

dima55 wrote: post #2

Is there a single person in the world that LIKES the half-height up/down keys?

The half-height keys are fine. I've used HP machines w/ them for years and gotten used to them.

Sharing the arrows w/ Home/End is awful, though. I don't know how anybody could live with having to use a modifier key to get those. I already combine modifiers with Home/End a ton. Having to add 3rd modifier (Ctrl-Shift-Fn-Left) to get "select from here to the top/bottom" sounds like painful hand gymnastics.

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