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OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by godelski »

azinman2 wrote: post #508
godelski wrote: post #504

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I'm saying it clearly isn't enough friction. It's not worth the privacy cost. Which let's be real, those numbers are then commonly sold to those same spammers, even if indirectly. You are also forgetting it is easy to mask, obscure, and hijack numbers. So it doesn't cost money per number, many times they can use their own number. There isn't a universal solution, which is the main problem here. Sometimes numbers make…

Ok so you don’t like phone numbers. I get it. But you’re OpenAI. You need to do _something_. What do you do?

lol dude, they already have my credit card. Look back at the OP. You're arguing that a phone number costs money so pushes people out. You know what else costs money?...

Stop doing things just because others do it. You'll never find a better way if you're always following. You'll never find better ways if you just accept things as they are. If you never push back. Let's be real, the number isn't about identity verification. They have my name and credit card. Unless by "verification" you mean cross matching me with other databases with the intent to sell that information.

You keep pestering me but you won't ask why they need that data. Like you just accept things at face value?

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by _joel »

gloosx wrote: post #505
_joel wrote: post #503

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You can't just hold up a 2d object (passport) and wave it about to try and trick it. There are heuristics at work.

For a regular camera - all objects are 2d, it is not equipped with tools to capture depth. What heuristics are you talking about? There is ML model at work which tries to tell whether the object is legit, but it cannot have any real sense of what is on the image: it just relies on a statistically plausible outcome when being fed pixels from your camera screen, which means you definitely can trick it.

You have to align your face in certain ways, a random video you found on the internet won't work.

If you don't match your face to the markers overlaid on the screen in a certain way, to gather heuristics about your eye distance, nose etc, then it won't work. Impossible to do with a 2d object you're holding. So yea, it does matter.

There's a literal industry that's popped up to make face identitifaction from your smartphone a thing. You might want to research and catch up on the way they work.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by tedsanders »

MattDaEskimo wrote: post #470
refulgentis wrote: post #456

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Any link / source / anything? You got quite an opportunity here, OpenAI employee claiming there's no difference and you got something that shows there is.

Yes, the original announcement for o3 and o4-mini: https://openai.com/index/introducing-o3-and-o4-mini/ o3 scored 91.6 on AIME 2024. 83.3 on GPQA o4-mini scored 93.4, 81.4 GPQA Then, the new announcement https://help.openai.com/en/articles/6825453-chatgpt-release-... o3 scored 90 on AIME 2024, 81 GPQA o4-mini wasn't measured --- Codeforces is the same, but they have a footnote that they're using a different dataset d…

First post measures o3 at high reasoning effort. Second measures at medium reasoning effort. It’s the same model, then and now.

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Post by MangoToupe »

xz0r wrote: post #458
wizzwizz4 wrote: post #391

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Poetic, but I don't think that really explains anything .

Ever thought about how there's a magnetic quality to mirrors that keeps us looking? I see GPT in a similar light, it functions as a mirror, reflecting aspects of our reality.

I don't think GPTs reflect much of us at all, because we ultimately must translate into language what chatbots lack (motivation, caring about things, emotions, biased stimulation like pain and pleasure, etc)

Language is a large part of how we think about ourselves, but I don't think chatbots can tap much into what it is to be human or what we care about/feel outside of what we've already written, and are thus kind of useless as fetishes for humanity. So far, anyway.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by gsuuon »

numlocked wrote: post #435
ddtaylor wrote: post #314

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I also am using OpenRouter because OpenAI isn't a great fit for me. I also stopped using OpenAI because they expire your API credits even if you don't use them. Yeah, it's only $10, but I'm not spending another dime with them.

Hi - I'm the COO of OpenRouter. In practice we don't expire the credits, but have to reserve the right to, or else we have a uncapped liability literally forever. Can't operate that way :) Everyone who issues credits on a platform has to have some way of expiring them. It's not a profit center for us, or part of our P&L; just a protection we have to have.

Pretty sure OP was talking about OpenAI expiring their credits (just had mine expire).

Btw, unsurprisingly, the time for expiry appears to be in UTC in case anyone else is in the situation of trying to spend down their credits before they disappear.

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Post by lesostep »

coderatlarge wrote: post #443
teruakohatu wrote: post #331

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Can you explain? Is it not actually free?

there are so many non-functional websites and signups required to get to the end of the rainbow that any sane person quits well before getting to any freely distributed software, if, in fact, there still is some.

I actually can confirm that there is a bit of a software at the end of the tunnel! Got my free VMware that way. Then again, I also beat QT out of The Qt Company, so I'm pretty determent in that regard.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by coderatlarge »

lesostep wrote: post #516
coderatlarge wrote: post #443

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there are so many non-functional websites and signups required to get to the end of the rainbow that any sane person quits well before getting to any freely distributed software, if, in fact, there still is some.

I actually can confirm that there is a bit of a software at the end of the tunnel! Got my free VMware that way. Then again, I also beat QT out of The Qt Company, so I'm pretty determent in that regard.

that’s amazing and deserves at least a blog post documenting that it is possible and how long it takes e2e…

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by piskov »

yyhhsj0521 wrote: post #432
piskov wrote: post #189

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If only there were people with multiple passports or, I don’t know, Kyrgyzstan. How exactly will passport check prevent any training? At most this will block API access to your average Ivan, not a state actor

It's most likely for regulation compliance, instead of a sincere attempt to block anyone from training on them.

But web chatgpt doesn’t require identity verification so either this is a very strange regulation compliance or …

Also do other guys like google or anthropic ask your passport?

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