Framework Laptop 12 review

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Post by moelf » Wed, Jun 18, 2025, 3:09 PM UTC

Framework Laptop 12 review
arstechnica.com

Re: Framework Laptop 12 review

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Post by dima55 » Wed, Jun 18, 2025, 3:51 PM UTC

Is there a single person in the world that LIKES the half-height up/down keys?

Re: Framework Laptop 12 review

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Post by browningstreet » Wed, Jun 18, 2025, 3:58 PM UTC

dima55 wrote: post #2

Is there a single person in the world that LIKES the half-height up/down keys?

..as much as the CTRL key being moved to the wrong place.

(Yes, I could map this elsewhere, but I use too many different machines.)

Re: Framework Laptop 12 review

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Post by kesslern » Wed, Jun 18, 2025, 3:59 PM UTC

dima55 wrote: post #2

Is there a single person in the world that LIKES the half-height up/down keys?

I do, but they should be paired with half height Page Up and Page Down keys. It's weird with the left/right keys as full size.

Re: Framework Laptop 12 review

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Post by mananaysiempre » Wed, Jun 18, 2025, 4:00 PM UTC

browningstreet wrote: post #3

dima55 wrote: post #2

Is there a single person in the world that LIKES the half-height up/down keys?

..as much as the CTRL key being moved to the wrong place. (Yes, I could map this elsewhere, but I use too many different machines.)

Define "wrong"? Ctrl-Fn-Super-Alt has been used for ages by everyone except IBM/Lenovo and Apple[1], and (for what it's worth) Fn left of Ctrl is explicitly not recommended by ISO[2].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fn_key#Fn_and_Control_key_plac...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_9995#Function_keys

Re: Framework Laptop 12 review

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Post by WillAdams » Wed, Jun 18, 2025, 4:01 PM UTC

As much as I like the ideals Framework is espousing, I'm seriously considering just making a folding shell for a Raspberry Pi 5 (maybe Pi 500) and a second gen Wacom One 13 (stylus w/ touch screen) and a battery.

Re: Framework Laptop 12 review

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Post by mort96 » Wed, Jun 18, 2025, 4:03 PM UTC

dima55 wrote: post #2

Is there a single person in the world that LIKES the half-height up/down keys?

I like keyboards with those half-height keys. I don't use arrow keys much, so it's nice that they don't take up so much space that other parts must be compromised.

I really don't like this design though where the left/right keys are full size (or other designs where they put things like page up/down buttons above the left and right buttons). I don't mind that the arrow keys are a squished inverted T shape, but I really do think they should get to be an inverted T shape. When I do want to use arrow keys, I want to be able to easily locate them by touch without looking down at the keyboard.

Re: Framework Laptop 12 review

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jun 18, 2025, 4:04 PM UTC

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Re: Framework Laptop 12 review

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Post by gonzalohm » Wed, Jun 18, 2025, 4:05 PM UTC

browningstreet wrote: post #3

dima55 wrote: post #2

Is there a single person in the world that LIKES the half-height up/down keys?

..as much as the CTRL key being moved to the wrong place. (Yes, I could map this elsewhere, but I use too many different machines.)

What do you mean? Most laptops have

Ctrl | Fn | windows | alt

Which matches what one should expect from a desktop keyboard (Ctrl is the left-most key)

Re: Framework Laptop 12 review

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Post by gonzalohm » Wed, Jun 18, 2025, 4:05 PM UTC

mananaysiempre wrote: post #5

browningstreet wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

..as much as the CTRL key being moved to the wrong place. (Yes, I could map this elsewhere, but I use too many different machines.)

Define "wrong"? Ctrl-Fn-Super-Alt has been used for ages by everyone except IBM/Lenovo and Apple[1], and (for what it's worth) Fn left of Ctrl is explicitly not recommended by ISO[2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fn_key#Fn_and_Control_key_plac... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_9995#Function_keys

And for Lenovo you can change it in the BIOS