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Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by nitrogen »

saurik wrote: post #68
programminggeek wrote: post #10

This is both unsurprising and somewhat meaningless as there will be an appeals process that will last for months and possibly years. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that Samsung made their products to look like Apple products. They changed their icon styles and other UI elements away from Android standards to match the Apple style. Some of the things Apple invented and patented on like pinch to zoom an…

WebOS had many of the same UI elements; they actually copied the tactile feel quite closely. At the time of the Pre launch, the speculation was that Palm could afford to piss off Apple as their patent chest included some real gems from their work on the Palm Pilot and on Treo smartphones; I have a vague recollection that they had some key patents required to build a smartphone address book that Apple was already like…

Doesn't the phrase "patents required to build a smartphone address book" alone make you think that the patent system is broken?

Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by eikaterine »

kapitalx wrote: post #125

This would have been a great case for Jury Nullification and send a message about software patent laws. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

Yeah, that would have been pretty interesting. I don't know that most of the people on that jury had a strong opinion on the problems with our software patent laws though.

Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by esolyt »

taligent wrote: post #42
davej wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. The argument being that for a highly technical issue it should be decided by a panel of experts, not the general public.

Except that it's NOT a highly technical issue. It's mainly a trade dress and UI look & feel issue. So the general public are absolutely the right people.

The case also covers some extremely technical patents.

Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by veemjeem »

benologist wrote: post #59
lazyoaf wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm aware of how it works, i just don't think there should be a legal dispute for many of the 'patents' here is all.

I agree completely - the only way this trial could have been fair was if the jury shared your opinion instead of forming their own.

I think we really need a sarcasm html tag... honestly I have trouble determining which of these comments are serious.

Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by josephlord »

aristidb wrote: post #111

I'm confused. How can it be that Apple supposedly infringes _none_ of Samsung's patents?

I'm not sure if that was decided. The jury decided the patents were exhausted because Apple's suppliers had already been licensed. (Qualcomm I think).

It is the general case that you can't demand two licenses for the same patent in the same product. If the 3G chip has a license then so does the phone it is built into.

Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by mikeklaas »

timdorr wrote: post #52
programminggeek wrote: post #10

This is both unsurprising and somewhat meaningless as there will be an appeals process that will last for months and possibly years. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that Samsung made their products to look like Apple products. They changed their icon styles and other UI elements away from Android standards to match the Apple style. Some of the things Apple invented and patented on like pinch to zoom an…

I'm actually pretty shocked that the Tab 10.1 was spared from the design charges, especially considering they lost that battle in Germany (and released the Tab 10.1N).

probably hasn't sold enough to make the damages worthwhile

Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by shinratdr »

goggles99 wrote: post #49
paranoiacblack wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You just have to look at Windows Phone 7 or Windows 8 or Web OS or Blackberry to realize that you don't have to copy Apple to make a good or great smartphone. Ok sure, but why did you cite a bunch of bad smartphones to validate your point?

Tell me something. If you took all the apps and app developers from the IOS App Store and traded them for all that WebOS, BlackBerry, Or windows 8 has... How would sales change in the next year??? Throw in Apple's marketing crew to trade as well. Isn't that an interesting notion? Is suggestion that these are "bad smartphones" coming from their lack of sales? This is a false dichotomy. If not - please provide data tha…

> It is not the phones or OS that makes IOS outsell the other companies mentioned - It is the apps and the marketing.

So nobody buys an iPhone because of how responsive iOS is or how well the iPhone is designed? Give me a break.

Also, it's "iOS". IOS is the Cisco router OS.

Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by veemjeem »

lazyoaf wrote: post #32
gridspy wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying that Patents prevent fair competition? Isn't that the point of patents?

The fact that patents can often be used on common sense or logical shapes, colours or materials in goods is just silly!

Perhaps copyright is better used here, but it's still a fine distinction. Perhaps there were reasons beyond that shapes that required patent filing over copyright.

Apple is an easy company to hate due to their bullish & secretive nature, but Samsung has a history of copying other company's products to gain marketshare. We hate those thieves in china who copy other startups pixel for pixel, but it's okay when Samsung does it?

http://www.techinasia.com/chinese-net-user-steals-game-engin...

Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by nsp »

nikcub wrote: post #127
fbuilesv wrote: post #82

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Just because Microsoft and Apple are colluding to avoid suing each other Do you have facts that support this or is this your opinion?

The fact is that there is no lawsuit between Microsoft and Apple despite almost everybody else in the mobile industry suing everybody else[1] [1] http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/articles/53157-image/Web-...

The more plausible reason Apple doesn't sue Microsoft is their lack of success in the space. Windows Phone has negligible marketshare and almost certainly loses money given the huge upfront costs of building an operating system and software ecosystem. It'd be hard for Apple to claim they lost a significant amount of revenue or sales from Windows Phone IP theft.
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